A question about being gay. (Jehovah, disciple, genesis, atheist)
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Glad you've given up your perverted evil bigoted ways.(joking)
Seriously, I think there was some miscommunication going on. I think sometimes gay people are so used to being vilified by anti-gay bigots (who know next to nothing about sexual orientation), and who use words like "choice" and "homosexual lifestyle", that when those words are used in posts, there is a knee-jerk reaction and maybe the actual points of the post are missed, and the fact that the poster may not be anti-gay at all may also be missed.
Those words are often used in conjunction with words and phrases like "perverted, depraved, sex-crazed, evil, abnormal, disgusting, vile, child molestors, recruiting children" etc. It sickening to read nasty ignorant rubbish like this over and over again, so most of the time the posts get skipped over.
1:I don't defend "anti-gay slogans" I simply ask what is the answer/comeback/response to this. I have never said it was a choice.I apologised for the use of "Gay lifestile". I have never got to choose what I like and don't like. I like football/cars/dancing it is just who I am. I simply stated just because ___is what I like that doesn't make it right to like/do it.
2: I don't car where you live if you base hating anything on religion you are really screwing up what God intended!!
3:Yes I agree but there is not definitive proof...yet. I dont think there is 1 answer to it I think it is a mix of a lot of things. Weather it is hormones in the womb to what ever I think there are many factors.
4:I am not justifying it!! sorry if you think so
1. You stated "gay lifestyle", did you not? You then went on to attempt to justify the use of the term after it was noted to you exactly how innacurate the term is, did you not? You were therefore attempting to jsutify a bigoted term.
Also, as in the drunk anology, if you had never been exposed to football, cars, or dancing, you would have no idea if you liked it or not. However, had you never been exposed to girls in an intimate manner, you would still know you are a hetero.
2. Then you may want to spread that message to most of your religious neighbors.
3. There is every bit of proof showing that all sexuality has the same basis, and all as unchangable as the others. Do you understand and agree with that?
I agree also a funny thing happened today. I was making plans for my wife and I do go on a double date with a good friend and his boyfriend next weekend. I was talking to him about this and he said almost the exact same thing. But ha I dont experience the hate and ridicule that alot of you do so I am not as sensitive to some of the situations as some people are. As you said "knee-jerk reaction" defense is after a while an auto response. Unfortunate but sometimes needed.
Hmmm.....very interesting , my opinion is that there is a deviance at play in
homosexuality because if "you eliminate the sexual intimacy" theres "nothing
compelling the homosexual. Therefore its all about , the expression of a rebel or a challenge to the norm to "complain" for a multitude faction of self pity.
Is it self pity incarnate ? Of course it is. Its only recently that this preference has been eliminated as "abnormal" in medical journal dictionary and has done so due to pressure from pro homosexual groups. The largest and very sad figures of complete self destruction are alloted to gay people. Its so sad and my experience and I've had alot , inspires a total acceptance of the hurt and pain homosexuals feel and once exercised the compassion "helps" eliminate the need for the adverse requirement and most feel much better, so I hope all here do as well. This has been forwarded in the kindness and peace for the day...Be well !
People look for many things in a relationship.
Love, understanding, mutual support, a friend, a confidant.
Making love is merely an expression of that love one feels for their partner.
BTW, I am speaking of a lesbian couple my wife and I play cards with on a regular basis, who ahve been in a monagamouse loving relationship longer than the two plus decades we've been amrried, as well as my own relationship with my wife.
1. You stated "gay lifestyle", did you not? You then went on to attempt to justify the use of the term after it was noted to you exactly how innacurate the term is, did you not? You were therefore attempting to jsutify a bigoted term.
Also, as in the drunk anology, if you had never been exposed to football, cars, or dancing, you would have no idea if you liked it or not. However, had you never been exposed to girls in an intimate manner, you would still know you are a hetero.
2. Then you may want to spread that message to most of your religious neighbors.
3. There is every bit of proof showing that all sexuality has the same basis, and all as unchangable as the others. Do you understand and agree with that?
4. See above.
I like your points so please don't get me wrong I love having a debate (not an argument) with you
1: How I used gay lifestyle is not how you took it. In all honesty the PC side of me says sorry it maters not how I meant it but only how you took it. The gay community takes a lot of crap so people need to be a little more sensitive to others. But the the other side of me says ha if I said I meant it in a different way cant we chalk it up to a simple misunderstanding. To many people are to sensitive these days and we are more worried about being PS then being honest. In the end I think people should be both honest and kind hearted.
2:I try to as best I can but some/a lot of peopl only want to hear them selves talk. I will always fight the good fight!!!
3:Yes absolutely!! But there is a % of "straight" people that are really gay and just cant admit it to them selves, there is also a % of "gay" people that are not. do you agree and understand?
I like your points so please don't get me wrong I love having a debate (not an argument) with you
1: How I used gay lifestyle is not how you took it. In all honesty the PC side of me says sorry it maters not how I meant it but only how you took it. The gay community takes a lot of crap so people need to be a little more sensitive to others. But the the other side of me says ha if I said I meant it in a different way cant we chalk it up to a simple misunderstanding. To many people are to sensitive these days and we are more worried about being PS then being honest. In the end I think people should be both honest and kind hearted.
2:I try to as best I can but some/a lot of peopl only want to hear them selves talk. I will always fight the good fight!!!
3:Yes absolutely!! But there is a % of "straight" people that are really gay and just cant admit it to them selves, there is also a % of "gay" people that are not. do you agree and understand?
4: It is a pleasure conversing with you.
I'm afraid I find myself in a position of needing to apologize to you and offer the lame excuse that I confused you with another poster.
To answer number three above...
People tend to confuse sex with sexual orientation. At times people thrust into certain conditions (prisons, priests, etc) will turn to whoever is available to relieve their sexual urges. These types of people, of course, are not classified, nor can be considered, homosexual.
At times certain people are made to, be society and/or a need of exceptance, to live the lie. They enter into loveless relationships, in some cases many relationships during their lifetime, and are enver happy or satisfied. Children brought into these types of relationships suffer terrible, and genrally tend to grow up socially stunted, especially with interactions with the opposite gender. Those same concerns occur for people who realize their sexual orientation and buy into the "ex-gay" ministry BS.
As to the last, there are certainly a percentage of the confused, a definite small minority in the GLBT community. These people, I have noticed, tend to stay away from committed relationships as they are much more into the sex part of it, and not the intimate relationship.
So yes, I see we are pretty much in agreement there, if you understand that the last catagory are most likely not going to seek marriages and other equal rights.
As evidence by your inane ramblings
Sexual identity is more than just the dangly bits or non dangly bit in your crotch
Yeah odd how pedophiles mostly are theists, gay <> pedophile
How you lameos like to draw parallels where there are none
Sexual orientation/identity has nothing to do with your crotch. It seem only xians are obsessed with the crotches of other people hence your weird dress codes like wimmen not being allowed to wear pants
In your fools paradise maybe, its all about the dangly bits isn't it? I am sure xians watch a lot of porn where two women are doing it, its the dudes that have you all yukked up, ever heard of oral sex, mutual masturbation? Not that this matters as sexual orientation and identity has nothing to do with the crotch
Which you have just done, how predictable
Waffle, twaddle
No you have not studied or you have just read the verses w/o understanding their original context and setting.
What has STD's have to do with sexual orientation, heteros get it now as much as homosexuals do.
Yeah we know, some of the chemicals leads to delusions of grandiour and belief in invisible cosmic magicians
Yeah you fundies would luv that wouldn't you?
Most gays and lesbians do not care much for your gawd. Why would they want a church wedding? Marriage is not a religious ceremony, your ignorance on this matter is not making you look bigoted, but also rather foolish.
Gay folk are NOT trying to change the churches, the churches are trying to change them and society, keep your racist, bigoted, homophobic worldviews in your church and few will have much to say about your beliefs. The majority of gay folk come from xian families, after all it is the xians that breed the most and claim 80% of all USA citizens are xian, so think about that lil' factoid.
What your non existent jesus has to say on the matter is of no relevance.
Oh there is soo much phail in that run on word salad. gay <> pedophile or murderer or any other of your lame examples. STD's are now more prevalent in heterosexuals oh and BTW AIDS is not a judgment of your cosmic gawd, we know where it originated from. Only in your bigoted, judgmental, homophobic, xian brainwashed mind is gayness evil. See after you brought your god into the discussion how you started to make no sense and all that has come out is your personal hatred and biases.
No you keep your sick dogmas to yourself, no one is asking for your gawd and specifically not your bent worldview.
So Ted Haggard and Ray Boltz, what went wrong with their education, after all, both are prominent xians that have admitted their gayness.
Wedlock is NOT a church thing, it is a state thing.
Waffle blather codswollop et al. It is a church thing not a state thing, we heathen will succeed getting your biases out of secular laws. It takes time though.
Most LGBT have no respect for your gawd as that gawd's adherents have rejected, ridiculed, messed with their minds etc.
It is obvious, you are a typical fundie, homophobic, bigoted xian.
Nothing to do with rewards, your jeesus is a myth and as tangible as zeus, thor mithra etc.
Because you lot are opposed to condoms, do not teach safe sex, kids have always experimented with sex and always will. Odd in spite of your biblical foundations, the southern states bible belt have the highest stats on teen pregnancies?
No your god is only in your head and in the heads of other deluded by belief in invisible cosmic entities. Why is it that this god of yours is so hung up ('scuse the pun) in mankind's genitalia it amazes me how this biblegawd always tends to agree with your perverted biases.
As we like to say
EPIC PHAIL!
Wow...Look here...I was talking about Gay idealizium...they claim to be different...but want the same things as others not like them...
Is it right?...I think Not...But I'm just one....If The Bible is anything of God's word and will....As Jesus Proclaimed it as being trustworthy and true....
Then God doesn't like certain kinds of behavior....and it seems he is aborant towards the likes of Gaydome...Calling it an abomonation, and the need to excitute those who practice it.
Jesus now says to let them be....why?
Well so we can draw lines to the outcomes and prove it for our selves!
Sexual ludness is a recipe for STDs....
Now that includes beastiality!
Draw those lines straight boys and girls...and others not Boys or girls...and then there are the others...
I know I have drawn mine right to the science that proves these stds are real...not a myth...not a delusion...not just in my head...
To be fore warned, is to be fore told.
A bigot calling me names, and a bigot proves nothing...in my mind
You have to do better than that....I have a long list of attributes that go beyond those little name...
Styx and stones...who wants to play stupid with STDs?...a sure way to die a horrible death...
Bible says to purify
To be holy
To be clean
To be respectful
To be mild and loving....
And then there is curcumsision...which is not of the flesh, but of the mind heart and spirit.
This keeps everything pure!
And so the demons created the pedophile to rape the children of God...and defile them...
Now who is forcing the issue?
I say...it is wrong to be Gay...it is not logical...it is not biologically sound...it is not clean.
However I understand brotherly and sisterly love...which has nothing to do with sexual copulation.
Maybe it is in this they error....maybe?
So Jesus says let em be......OK...but I still draw my lines to what I said...if they want to be different they should be different.
And their choices deem them incapable to have children....then they should not have any!...that is the choice...that is the sacrifice!
Yet still they take, or clain other peoples children as their own.
And they want to wed in a practice that is not for them...it is for man and woman...which they blatantly claim they are not...
So...why make acceptions?
Let the state marry them....that way it stays out of God's house...RESPECT THAT.
But No the pedophiles have infiltrated even the house of God....
So...I stand as being right....the truth however delusional it seems to some...is now being defiled by the demons...so no one gets to heaven...they have hidden, covered up, infiltrated, defiled, made unholy, and plain the things that are supose to mean something to Humankind...oaths...promises...respect...honour... valuor...truth...Love......all these things are failing and falling away...being made plain and worthless...
Wow...Look here...I was talking about Gay idealizium...they claim to be different...but want the same things as others not like them...
Is it right?...I think Not...But I'm just one....If The Bible is anything of God's word and will....As Jesus Proclaimed it as being trustworthy and true....
Then God doesn't like certain kinds of behavior....and it seems he is aborant towards the likes of Gaydome...Calling it an abomonation, and the need to excitute those who practice it.
Jesus now says to let them be....why?
Well so we can draw lines to the outcomes and prove it for our selves!
Sexual lewdness is a recipe for STDs....
Now that includes beastiality!
Draw those lines straight boys and girls...and others not Boys or girls...and then there are the others...
I know I have drawn mine right to the science that proves these stds are real...not a myth...not a delusion...not just in my head...
To be fore warned, is to be fore told.
A bigot calling me a bigot proves nothing...in my mind
Sir Les
You are correct about STD's not being a delusion but STD's are not effecting just the gay community!! Most people will tell you STD's are caused by promiscuity and I will tell you that promiscuity is looked down upon as much if not more in the gay community due to the horrific pan STD's such as aids has caused the gay community.
You said "God doesn't like certain kinds of behavior" I agree but would you include JUDGING OTHERS in the list of behaviors that God does not like?
You said "Wow...Look here...I was talking about Gay idealizium...they claim to be different...but want the same things as others not like them..." Again I agree different people should get different things. A man robing a house to buy drugs...10years manual labor. A man stealing fruit out of an orchard to feed his family....a job. A young person just coming in to there field/trade $13/hr. A person in the same field of work for 20 years $26/hr. But dont you think every person in the world deserves respect. Heck a murder was one of Jesus disciples.
John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
In every Bible I have looked it does not exclude any person WHAT SO EVER AT ALL including gay people.
If you believe in the bible and if you believe homosexual acts are a sin then if you ever speed it is a sin if you ever think about a woman who is married or if you are married and you think about any woman other then your wife, if you ever eat more then you need (gluttony) James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
I have broke all of it. Every day I try to do my best that is all we can do.
If you are going to use "Gods word" please do it in context,not just 3 or 4 words together to suit what you want
"Bible says to purify
To be holy
To be clean
To be respectful
To be mild and loving...."
and please PLEASE read what you wright...are you being respectful mild and loving or are you judging?
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