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Again, there are no activities a gay person does that a straight person does as well.
Second, the anti-gay side bases their bigotry on either a mere sence of "Ick", or the bible, the reason for my "sin" comment.
There's more to it than that.
"Anal intercourse and sex with numerous partners especially increase the risk of getting AIDS." University of Michigan Health
Adult Health Advisor 2009.1: HIV/AIDS: Risk Factors and Prevention of Transmission (http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/aha/aha_aidsr_crs.htm - broken link)
I think it's fair to say homosexual men are more likely to engage in anal intercourse than heterosexual men.
Then in Catholicism we believe in the interdependence of the sexes. In theory a homosexual can separate themselves from the other sex altogether and this occurs in some lesbian communes like Alapine.
Although I respect their right to do that it is at least potentially problematic.
Not that I consider myself "anti-gay" as I think people have different customs or views on sexuality so I generally respect those who decide homosexuals are not meant for celibacy. I just generally oppose the idea everyone must view homosexuality, or heterosexuality, the same way.
To engage in heterosexual sex is a choice. The only time it does not have elements of choice is rape. Being heterosexual or homosexual is not a choice.
I do not think it is a choice for some for others I do what the % is none of us know!!!
Science has proven if we believe in our heads something is true it can effect us physically.
So I believe some people to be born gay and others believe or want to believe they are gay. Same goes for almost anything I can think of. Being gay when you are not is no different then believing you are doing God's will when you are not. A lot of people across the world have tricked them selves in to believing stuff that millions of other people in the world believe simply can't be true.
Aliens/God/Buddha/ESP/ghosts and many many more things.
Lets say ghosts are real....that doesn't mean everyone who thinks they have seen one has really seen one. Same goes for anything where you have a choice!! Including but not limited to being gay.
Please read before you type. Not just you but a few people. I did not say sexual orientation is a choice I said "choice to act upon our impulses wants desires and needs!!!"
I did not say anything about sexual orientation!!!
Doing what we do is a choice our actions are a choice!!!
To be honest, if you are a man it is usually the woman who chooses....Just sayin'
What is a gay person?...If the person being gay claims his lusting or desire is for the same sex...what sex is it they desire...and what sex are they proclaiming to be?
Now we only have three types of humaniod bodies...hermaphrodite, male, and female.
If a gay Male is not a male in his own mind, and wants the same sex partner, would it be of the same gay sexed individual, or would they truly desire a real male...for a gay male with a gay male really isn't the opposite sex..but it is not truly the same sex...because they claim not to be male in the mind or spirit...and thus we have the confusion...and we also have the preditor pedophiles born out of this confusion...
Now some people are just plain Evil...they Murder for fun...and they can be very charming and nice on first impressions.....Should I allow or condone their behavior because they like that lifestyle?
I think we have to draw some lines to some true science...Biology...and what the organs are ment for, or designed for...and use them in the right ways...
That is about as clear as crystal can be...if we align our selves to that...less problems in the world!
Now some might like to bring God into this...And why not?...Isn;t God the maker...would he not know the answer?...he calls it an abomonation...a mutation...probably due to inbreeding or other activities we are doing wrong in the world...Like Idolatry...and being born under it?...forced into it...governed by it?....
Stress...Yes this stress can effect the outcomes of our prodogies...and the incesting will continue to make two headed, and mutated individuals...and twisted spirits...
So should we allow them to Live?...Jesus says let the Evil be Evil and the filthy be filthy, the holy be holy, and the righteous still do right, my rewards are with me...
Now I have studied a bit of the Bible...But I have also worked in Hospitals...and there is a large amount of STD's going round, and urinary track infections that can lead to cancer...and these infections are gained by anal sex...and being dirty or unclean with the body, and or the mind!
It has been proven that the mind can produce certain chemicals that are either needed for the body...or in the case of stress..detramental to the body...
So the mind plays a roll in our healthy developement....as a social endevour it would be wise for the sustainability and future health care, to remove, curtail, or subdue any and all detramental behavior from the masses...
Should Gays and Lesbians Wed in the Church?....NO!
But because they are demanding these rights...they are in essence mocking God.
If I were to bring persons of a certain ilk into your home, who you expressedly told me you did not like or want around...and I forced issues and confrontational debate as to this persons rights to be in Your home, and partake in rituals that are not made for them...how would you feel?
So if we can except this,...as Jesus asks us to forgive them, and let them Be...ok...
But then we have the pedophiles, the murderers, the rapists, the corrupted, and the evil to also make acceptions for...and allow their folly...at who's expense?...how many have to suffer?...how much aids. and other stds need to come forth?...and the woe and wrath..which knows no differences between the good or the bad.....
I think we have to start thinking more for the whole, and what is best for it and ourselves, rather than the individual in this world...
Sexual orientation begins with proper educations...sex organs workings, and the correct way to use then in respecting the Lord God...if they be used at all.
So science is telling...But some people just don't believe that science.
They say it happens in nature, so there for I am being natural...
NO way...
Canabulizum happens in Nature...
Eating ones own children happens in nature...
Does this meaqn we should all pratice these things?
So lets get an educated prespective on this...I think God is the best answer to the lost sheep.
But if they do not believe in God...then why demand wedlock in a church of God?
Let it be a state thing...Not a church thing.
Here is where it shows it is not in respect of God, nor the church...it is to undo, to defile, to break down, to make plain, to allow all kinds of wrongs...and say there is no right...
Chaos!
Now we have a way that seems right...and the GAYs contend against it....and science is not being adhered to as proof enough to change their minds or their actions.
No self control...to right the errors in ones own mind.
Resist...for it is writen not to lie with the same sex as you would a woman.
That is enough for me...
I do not know what rewards Jesus will have for those who do these things...but I'm sure they are not going to be plesant...and I do not feel I need to pay taxes to find cures, for sicknesses that can be avioded if sex is practiced correctly...
Now look..aids is getting out of hand...and it is not just effecting the sexually lud...it is in the blood...and innocent people are contracting it...
Why?
Canabulizum happens in Nature...
Eating ones own children happens in nature...
Does this mean we should all practice these things?
So lets get an educated perspective on this...I think God is the best answer to the lost sheep.
But if they do not believe in God...then why demand wedlock in a church of God?
Let it be a state thing...Not a church thing.
Some things you say I don't agree with but this makes scene. For almost every good argument there is a good counter argument.
I don't know if being gay is wrong or not. I don't have all the answers. I do believe in God, I also have friends that are gay and friends that "sin" every day. I also sin quite frequently. Is everything I believe correct...NO. Is the Bible 100% correct...probably not I don't think it is but as I have stated out of every beliefe I have what is the chance I am 100% correct on all of then....lol not a chance. Each of us have our own tests and demons, whats yours?
What is a gay person?...If the person being gay claims his lusting or desire is for the same sex...what sex is it they desire...and what sex are they proclaiming to be?
Now we only have three types of humaniod bodies...hermaphrodite, male, and female.
Sexual identity is more than just the dangly bits or non dangly bit in your crotch
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If a gay Male is not a male in his own mind, and wants the same sex partner, would it be of the same gay sexed individual, or would they truly desire a real male...for a gay male with a gay male really isn't the opposite sex..but it is not truly the same sex...because they claim not to be male in the mind or spirit...and thus we have the confusion...and we also have the preditor pedophiles born out of this confusion...
Yeah odd how pedophiles mostly are theists, gay <> pedophile
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Now some people are just plain Evil...they Murder for fun...and they can be very charming and nice on first impressions.....Should I allow or condone their behavior because they like that lifestyle?
How you lameos like to draw parallels where there are none
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I think we have to draw some lines to some true science...Biology...and what the organs are ment for, or designed for...and use them in the right ways...
Sexual orientation/identity has nothing to do with your crotch. It seem only xians are obsessed with the crotches of other people hence your weird dress codes like wimmen not being allowed to wear pants
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That is about as clear as crystal can be...if we align our selves to that...less problems in the world!
In your fools paradise maybe, its all about the dangly bits isn't it? I am sure xians watch a lot of porn where two women are doing it, its the dudes that have you all yukked up, ever heard of oral sex, mutual masturbation? Not that this matters as sexual orientation and identity has nothing to do with the crotch
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Now some might like to bring God into this...And why not?...Isn;t God the maker...would he not know the answer?...he calls it an abomonation...a mutation...probably due to inbreeding or other activities we are doing wrong in the world...Like Idolatry...and being born under it?...forced into it...governed by it?....
Which you have just done, how predictable
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Stress...Yes this stress can effect the outcomes of our prodogies...and the incesting will continue to make two headed, and mutated individuals...and twisted spirits...
So should we allow them to Live?...Jesus says let the Evil be Evil and the filthy be filthy, the holy be holy, and the righteous still do right, my rewards are with me...
Waffle, twaddle
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Now I have studied a bit of the Bible...But I have also worked in Hospitals...and there is a large amount of STD's going round, and urinary track infections that can lead to cancer...and these infections are gained by anal sex...and being dirty or unclean with the body, and or the mind!
No you have not studied or you have just read the verses w/o understanding their original context and setting.
What has STD's have to do with sexual orientation, heteros get it now as much as homosexuals do.
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It has been proven that the mind can produce certain chemicals that are either needed for the body...or in the case of stress..detramental to the body...
Yeah we know, some of the chemicals leads to delusions of grandiour and belief in invisible cosmic magicians
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So the mind plays a roll in our healthy developement....as a social endevour it would be wise for the sustainability and future health care, to remove, curtail, or subdue any and all detramental behavior from the masses...
Yeah you fundies would luv that wouldn't you?
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Should Gays and Lesbians Wed in the Church?....NO!
But because they are demanding these rights...they are in essence mocking God.
Most gays and lesbians do not care much for your gawd. Why would they want a church wedding? Marriage is not a religious ceremony, your ignorance on this matter is not making you look bigoted, but also rather foolish.
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If I were to bring persons of a certain ilk into your home, who you expressedly told me you did not like or want around...and I forced issues and confrontational debate as to this persons rights to be in Your home, and partake in rituals that are not made for them...how would you feel?
Gay folk are NOT trying to change the churches, the churches are trying to change them and society, keep your racist, bigoted, homophobic worldviews in your church and few will have much to say about your beliefs. The majority of gay folk come from xian families, after all it is the xians that breed the most and claim 80% of all USA citizens are xian, so think about that lil' factoid.
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So if we can except [sic] this,...as Jesus asks us to forgive them, and let them Be...ok...
What your non existent jesus has to say on the matter is of no relevance.
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But then we have the pedophiles, the murderers, the rapists, the corrupted, and the evil to also make acceptions for...and allow their folly...at who's expense?...how many have to suffer?...how much aids. and other stds need to come forth?...and the woe and wrath..which knows no differences between the good or the bad.....
Oh there is soo much phail in that run on word salad. gay <> pedophile or murderer or any other of your lame examples. STD's are now more prevalent in heterosexuals oh and BTW AIDS is not a judgment of your cosmic gawd, we know where it originated from. Only in your bigoted, judgmental, homophobic, xian brainwashed mind is gayness evil. See after you brought your god into the discussion how you started to make no sense and all that has come out is your personal hatred and biases.
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I think we have to start thinking more for the whole, and what is best for it and ourselves, rather than the individual in this world...
No you keep your sick dogmas to yourself, no one is asking for your gawd and specifically not your bent worldview.
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Sexual orientation begins with proper educations...sex organs workings, and the correct way to use then in respecting the Lord God...if they be used at all.
So Ted Haggard and Ray Boltz, what went wrong with their education, after all, both are prominent xians that have admitted their gayness.
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So science is telling...But some people just don't believe that science.
They say it happens in nature, so there for I am being natural...
NO way...
Canabulizum [sic] {amazing how fundies cannot even use a spell checker eh?}happens in Nature...
Eating ones own children happens in nature...
Does this meaqn we should all pratice these things?
So lets get an educated prespective [sic] on this...I think God is the best answer to the lost sheep.
But if they do not believe in God...then why demand wedlock in a church of God?
Wedlock is NOT a church thing, it is a state thing.
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Let it be a state thing...Not a church thing.
Waffle blather codswollop et al. It is a church thing not a state thing, we heathen will succeed getting your biases out of secular laws. It takes time though.
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Here is where it shows it is not in respect of God, nor the church...it is to undo, to defile, to break down, to make plain, to allow all kinds of wrongs...and say there is no right...
Chaos!
Most LGBT have no respect for your gawd as that gawd's adherents have rejected, ridiculed, messed with their minds etc.
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Now we have a way that seems right...and the GAYs contend against it....and science is not being adhered to as proof enough to change their minds or their actions.
No self control...to right the errors in ones own mind.
Resist...for it is writen [sic] not to lie with the same sex as you would a woman.
That is enough for me...
It is obvious, you are a typical fundie, homophobic, bigoted xian.
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I do not know what rewards Jesus will have for those who do these things...but I'm sure they are not going to be plesant [sic]...and I do not feel I need to pay taxes to find cures, for sicknesses that can be avioded [sic] if sex is practiced correctly...
Nothing to do with rewards, your jeesus is a myth and as tangible as zeus, thor mithra etc.
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Now look..aids is getting out of hand...and it is not just effecting the sexually lud...it is in the blood...and innocent people are contracting it...
Why?
Because you lot are opposed to condoms, do not teach safe sex, kids have always experimented with sex and always will. Odd in spite of your biblical foundations, the southern states bible belt have the highest stats on teen pregnancies?
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So we learn a hard less here...God is right.
No your god is only in your head and in the heads of other deluded by belief in invisible cosmic entities. Why is it that this god of yours is so hung up ('scuse the pun) in mankind's genitalia it amazes me how this biblegawd always tends to agree with your perverted biases.
As we like to say
EPIC PHAIL!
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