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Sex out of marriage is a sin. Same sex even more so.
I thought all sin was equal before God's eyes.
(And yes I know many people argue that not all sins are equal this but sin is sin)
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Originally Posted by freedom
No one is saying that having relationships founded on love are wrong. Just don't do unseemly acts with that person. Plenty of people love their dogs, they just don't Luuuuuuuuvvvvvv, their dogs. Get the difference.
Nice of you to throw in the passive aggressive homosexuality sex is equal to bestiality dandy.
Sex out of marriage is a sin. Same sex even more so.
Religions determines what is sin and blasphemy and what is not as if they consulted with the entire human race and asked their opinion. You have some fanatical idiots running around the place wanting to kill people for painting a picture of their prophet, even if done in good taste, ranting about "blasphemy" while you have others calling an innocent baby a "sinner."
Your definition does not have to define anyone or anything any more than some nutball French scientist in the 18th century defining black people as animals.
I just read this entire thread and felt the need to post. bchris you are not alone. I am in my 20s as well and for the past few years have been struggling with same sex attractions. I was raised in a conservative Evangelical church and was always told it was wrong. I never understood how people could be attracted to the same sex and was not sure how to react. I was never judgmental as I had never been through this. A few years ago I met a woman who immediately was different. At the time I denied it but I was deeply attracted to her. Long story short we both ended up talking to each other about this and was both of our first times. (We were friends for almost a year before anything happened as I resisted these thoughts.) This went on off and on for awhile but always viewed it as a sin and a mistake. I finally got so sick of this I got help and separated myself completely from her. Then awhile later she was brought back into my life. This scared me but I was more excited that maybe God was going to restore our friendship and He knew this was my only desire, not anything more. I prayed that He would help me bc I did not have the strength without the power of the Holy Spirit and my reliance on Jesus. Everything was going fine and then the inevitable happened. She could not help but be honest with me. We had both tried and failed. I finally admitted to myself that I loved this woman and that was the truth. I am in love with her and finally feel a burden lifted off my shoulders. We are together and I hope it stays that way. I can not imagine denying my love for her or living my life without her. It is like we were meant for one another. I was at my bible study tonight and was pouring out my heart to these girls. They don't know the reason for my turmoil but said they would pray. My family, and many friends have no idea I have decided to pursue a relationship with this woman. I am deeply afraid of their reactions, as I am even still unsure. I have prayed and prayed for God to remove this from my life. He seems to not be helping me...so I ask, is this a trial I have to walk through? or is this something He is trying to show me, that it is the way He made me? I don't know. I long for answers or for Him to intervene for good...but I still wait.
I have to ask----what if a homosexual couple was married but waited until they got married to have relations and the act was based on love? Trust me i'm heterosexual but if someone loves the same sex thats their feelings and I don't have a problem with it. As long as it's a commited relationship what does it matter?
Is there an example in scripture of two men marrying?
Religions determines what is sin and blasphemy and what is not as if they consulted with the entire human race and asked their opinion. You have some fanatical idiots running around the place wanting to kill people for painting a picture of their prophet, even if done in good taste, ranting about "blasphemy" while you have others calling an innocent baby a "sinner."
Your definition does not have to define anyone or anything any more than some nutball French scientist in the 18th century defining black people as animals.
Actually God determines what is right and wrong, and then He tells us through our conscience and sometimes His Prophets, when man gets way off course.
Religious Fanatics try to monopolize God's word and make it fit their goals of power over the masses.
Apples and Oranges really.
Regarding the strange French scientist comment, there are scientists (evolutionists) that categorize all people as animals. So the French guy was ahead of his time.
Is there an example in scripture of two men marrying?
Love is not sex.
godspeed,
freedom
I don't think there was but how do 2 men or 2 women living together as a couple affect you besides possibly offending you? In an instance of a homosexual relationship a woman is attracted to another woman so obviously not attracted to me (male). I am not under the delusion that every woman in the world would be attracted to me so if she like another man or a woman it doesn't matter. The biggest issue is what the perception of jehovas witnesses are.People going door to door to convert you. So far there has yet to be a door to door homosexual conversion attempt. Should I call you a sinner if you come to my door one day pushing Jesus on me?
I don't think there was but how do 2 men or 2 women living together as a couple affect you besides possibly offending you?
A single case doesn't affect me. A movement to normalize it and say it is not sin affects societies sense of morality, decency, and has allowed the promotion of the life in our schools and media. I don't really care for the celebration of disobedience that is displayed in many circles of the gay community.
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In an instance of a homosexual relationship a woman is attracted to another woman so obviously not attracted to me (male). I am not under the delusion that every woman in the world would be attracted to me so if she like another man or a woman it doesn't matter.
I have One wife, it's not a supply issue with me, nor a competition for females attention.
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The biggest issue is what the perception of jehovas witnesses are.People going door to door to convert you. So far there has yet to be a door to door homosexual conversion attempt. Should I call you a sinner if you come to my door one day pushing Jesus on me?
Not relevant to me personally regarding proselytizing door to door, or being of the JW organization.
As to the promotion of Gays, there is hardly a movie, or tv show, or magazine, etc... that doesn't have the agenda to make it okay.
A single case doesn't affect me. A movement to normalize it and say it is not sin affects societies sense of morality, decency, and has allowed the promotion of the life in our schools and media. I don't really care for the celebration of disobedience that is displayed in many circles of the gay community.
I have One wife, it's not a supply issue with me, nor a competition for females attention.
Not relevant to me personally regarding proselytizing door to door, or being of the JW organization.
As to the promotion of Gays, there is hardly a movie, or tv show, or magazine, etc... that doesn't have the agenda to make it okay.
godspeed,
freedom
I do agree in one part that certain televisions shows push it a little too much on the viewer like when Ellen came out and then every episode of her show was about her sexuality. Now if you really want to talk about a sin or blasphemy think about this...Every year there is a holiday called Christmas which is supposed to be based on the birth of Christ,correct? If that is the case shouldn't everyone who celebrates it the way it is commonly done so ;with a tree,stockings,and honoring of St.Nick be considered sinners?Is St.Nick a false profit or is this just a slap in the face to Jesus? We are supposed thy neighbor so whether they are black,white, gay,straight,or whatever religion it shouldn't make a difference. Also about sin----we are all sinners, so who are we to judge others when we are mere mortals.
As to the promotion of Gays, there is hardly a movie, or tv show, or magazine, etc... that doesn't have the agenda to make it okay.
Okay . . . not okay . . . Colossians 2:19,
. . . If you have died with Christ to the elements of the world, why, as if still living in the world, do you lay down the rules . . . Things that must all perish in their very use? In this you follow the 'precepts and doctrines of men.
Do you save anyone by removing their choices by coercion?Just asking.
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