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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.57%
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Old 09-12-2022, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Spain
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Armenia is just SOL.
They will be forced to all move to LA to wear lots of gold jewelry and open cell phone stores, like the generations before them.
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Old 09-12-2022, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Boy has this been a rout. Russia just showed the bear has no teeth (conventionally). It also gives NATO allies a really, really good look at how to defeat Russia in a conventional conflict.

Putin has dug his own grave. Tsk-tsk.
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Old 09-12-2022, 10:02 PM
 
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Boy has this been a rout. Russia just showed the bear has no teeth (conventionally). It also gives NATO allies a really, really good look at how to defeat Russia in a conventional conflict.

Putin has dug his own grave. Tsk-tsk.
It would not stay conventional.
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Old 09-12-2022, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It would not stay conventional.
You best hope it does
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Old 09-12-2022, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-september-12

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Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive is continuing to have significant impacts on Russian morale and military capabilities in southern Ukraine.

The success of recent Ukrainian counteroffensive operations may be impacting the will or ability of the Russian military command to use newly formed volunteer units in Ukraine in a timely fashion.

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the Russian military command has suspended sending new, already-formed units to Ukraine due to recent Russian losses and widespread distrust of the Russian military command, factors which have caused a large number of volunteers to categorically refuse to participate in combat.[3] This assessment is still unconfirmed, but low morale due to Ukrainian counteroffensive success may prove devastating to the Kremlin’s already-poor ability to generate meaningful combat capability. The deployment of these newly formed units to reinforce defensive lines against Ukrainian counteroffensives would be an operationally-sound decision on the part of Russian military leadership; and the delay or potential suspension of these deployments will afford Ukrainian troops time to consolidate and then resume the offensive, should they choose to do so, without having to face newly arrived and fresh (albeit undertrained and understrength) units.
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Ukrainian forces are continuing to make impactful gains in Kherson Oblast and are steadily degrading the morale and combat capabilities of Russian forces in this area.

The Russian military command may be suspending the deployment of newly formed units to Ukraine due to recent Russian losses and overall degraded morale.

Russian forces are failing to reinforce the new frontline following Ukrainian gains in eastern Kharkiv Oblast and are actively fleeing the area or redeploying to other axes.

Ukrainian forces continued targeting Russian military assets and positions in Kherson Oblast, likely steadily degrading them.
The Ukrainian recapture of Izyum has likely degraded Russian forces’ ability to conduct artillery strikes along the Izyum-Slovyansk highway.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) announced the restoration of the second reserve power transmission line to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).

Ukraine’s sweeping counteroffensive is damaging Russian administrative capabilities and driving Russian departures from occupied parts of Ukraine far behind the line of contact.
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Ukraine’s sweeping counteroffensive is damaging Russian administrative capabilities and driving Russian departures from occupied parts of Ukraine far behind the line of contact. The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported on September 12 that Russian forces throughout occupied Kherson Oblast have restricted general freedom of movement, strengthened military checkpoints, and increased looting, particularly of motorcycles—all apparent signs of Russian desperation.[34] Russian forces may be looting mopeds and motorcycles to flee in the event of a military collapse. The Russian-backed head of occupied Crimea, Sergey Aksenov, claimed on September 12 that Russian FSB officers detained Ukrainian “terrorists†who were planning an attack on the Kherson Occupation Administration.[35] The Ukrainian Resistance Center also reported that Russian forces increased patrols and checkpoints around Mariupol on September 12 to thwart Ukrainian “sabotage.â€[36]

The impacts of Ukrainian counteroffensives may reduce the likelihood that Russia will hold sham annexation referenda in occupied territories in the next month. The Center reported that “a number of†specialists remain in occupied Kherson, but that the Kremlin has put the referendum “on pause.†The Russian-appointed head of Zaporizhia Oblast, Evgeny Balitsky, claimed on September 12 that the Zaporizhia Occupation Administration would hold its annexation referendum “as soon as we are ready in terms of security.†Balitsky also claimed that 86% of Zaporizhia residents support Russian annexation of the oblast—indicating either that occupation officials are conducting fake public opinion polls to support their planned referendum, or that they have pre-ordained the results of the pseudo-referendum.[37]

The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported that Ukrainian forces will use facial recognition and other intelligence to identify Russian officials and Ukrainian collaborators in newly liberated Ukrainian territories. Ukrainian forces arrested the occupation administration head of the village of Ivanivka, Kharkiv Oblast on September 9 and the collaborationist chief of occupation police for Balakliya, Kharkiv Oblast by September 11 and plan to prosecute both officials
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Old 09-13-2022, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Boy has this been a rout. Russia just showed the bear has no teeth (conventionally). It also gives NATO allies a really, really good look at how to defeat Russia in a conventional conflict.

Putin has dug his own grave. Tsk-tsk.
But Russian supporters call the successful Ukraine counter offensive as the Battle of the Bulge and that Russia will take it back. It is also said to make Ukraine look good so it can get more reinforcements from the West. Russia still has a lot of rockets as reflected by it firing them upon Kharkiv and causing a blackout.

Furthermore, Russia may declare war upon NATO and start a draft into the military of its own citizens.
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Old 09-13-2022, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Boy has this been a rout. Russia just showed the bear has no teeth (conventionally). It also gives NATO allies a really, really good look at how to defeat Russia in a conventional conflict.
"Russia" and "conventional" is a contradiction.

In case the war crimes, looting, and shelling of nuclear plants didn't tip you off.
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Old 09-13-2022, 01:51 AM
 
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Chef Andre and his World Central Kitchen are incredible.

In some of the newly liberated areas, they're following behind Ukrainian soldiers with hot meals for people.

Imagine the relief they must feel to see their own soldiers, their own flag, and now, a hot meal.

Lot of prayers have been answered the last few days.

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Old 09-13-2022, 06:37 AM
 
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Furthermore, Russia may declare war upon NATO
Comedy gold.
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Old 09-13-2022, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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But Russian supporters call the successful Ukraine counter offensive as the Battle of the Bulge and that Russia will take it back. It is also said to make Ukraine look good so it can get more reinforcements from the West. Russia still has a lot of rockets as reflected by it firing them upon Kharkiv and causing a blackout.

Furthermore, Russia may declare war upon NATO and start a draft into the military of its own citizens.

Why do you focus so much energy following propaganda??? Do you ever just post what you think instead of what people you don't agree with think? You are basically caring water for the people you claim to be mocking.
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