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Some people feel western security may be threatened by a Russian win. If Russia succeeds here, what would prevent them from furthering their quest for territory?
Europe was warned about doing business with Russia but they foolishly marched down the road.
Just because you do not see Russian bombers over your house does not mean there is no threat. It's more or less a moot point for right now, and will be as long as the sanctioning nations and boycotting businesses maintain their position.
In the end Russia will be destroyed economically. It's a now or never situation both for Russia and the west. Russia must expand now while they still have enough people left and the west must destroy Russia now before they reconstitute the USSR under the Russian flag.
It evidently never occurred to Russian government to just run their country. They still have plenty of resources and up until last February there were lots of trading partners available. Now, there are few trading opportunities and probably never will be again.
Russia blew it.
Kind of reminds me of the Domino theory which guided U.S. cold war policy and led to the Vietnam war. What a stupid theory that turned out to be false. I fear we are making the same mistake now. There are those that see U.S. hegemony as the only right course for the world. They will therefore see any and everything that can rival it as a threat and worthy of being destroyed. Unfortunately, this desire causes them to act irrationally causing the very destruction they profess to trying to prevent. People like this aren't the hero, they're the villains.
Kind of reminds me of the Domino theory which guided U.S. cold war policy and led to the Vietnam war. What a stupid theory that turned out to be false. I fear we are making the same mistake now. There are those that see U.S. hegemony as the only right course for the world. They will therefore see any and everything that can rival it as a threat and worthy of being destroyed. Unfortunately, this desire causes them to act irrationally causing the very destruction they profess to trying to prevent. People like this aren't the hero, they're the villains.
All true. However I'm very doubtful that the person you are replying to will get your point.
Some people feel western security may be threatened by a Russian win. If Russia succeeds here, what would prevent them from furthering their quest for territory?
Europe was warned about doing business with Russia but they foolishly marched down the road.
Just because you do not see Russian bombers over your house does not mean there is no threat. It's more or less a moot point for right now, and will be as long as the sanctioning nations and boycotting businesses maintain their position.
In the end Russia will be destroyed economically. It's a now or never situation both for Russia and the west. Russia must expand now while they still have enough people left and the west must destroy Russia now before they reconstitute the USSR under the Russian flag.
It evidently never occurred to Russian government to just run their country. They still have plenty of resources and up until last February there were lots of trading partners available. Now, there are few trading opportunities and probably never will be again.
Russia blew it.
Yeah it is very much our fight. In 1994 The UK, USA, and Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum in which they promised to respect Ukraine's borders. Russian terrorists broke this promise by invading Crimea and the Donbass regions in 2014. The US should have stepped in back then. This time the world stepped in when Russian terrorists when too far.
Russian bots and some chinaman bots continue to defend this absurd war as usual.
Russian military leadership is likely increasingly losing confidence in the security of Crimea following recent Ukrainian strikes on Russian military objects in Crimea.
Russian sources reported on August 17 that Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov had replaced Admiral Igor Osipov as the commander of the Crimean-based Black Sea Fleet (BSF).[1] The Russian information space, however, was evidently eager to maintain a high level of secrecy regarding Sokolov’s appointment due to the claimed threat of “terrorist danger†in Sevastopol.[2] Recent Ukrainian strikes (associated with Ukrainian partisans and Ukrainian Armed Forces) on Russian military assets in Crimea, including the headquarters of the BSF in Sevastopol, have likely placed Russian forces on high alert and led to the restructuring of force composition, logistics, and leadership of the Russian grouping in Crimea in order to mitigate the impact of further strikes. Ukraine’s Main Military Intelligence Directorate, for example, reported that Russian forces are relocating dozens of fixed and rotary wing aircraft stationed in forward airfields in Crimea to areas deeper in the Crimean Peninsula and in mainland Russia.[3]
Russian leadership and the Russian nationalist information space have become increasingly invested in framing recent Ukrainian strikes on Russian military assets in Crimea as acts of terrorism in order to shift the information narrative away from Russian violations of international law and calls on the West to designate Russia a state sponsor of terrorism.
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Russian military leadership is falsely claiming that recent attacks on Russian military objects in Crimea are terrorist attacks to deflect calls to designate Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Russian forces attempted several unsuccessful assaults near the Kharkiv-Donetsk Oblast border in tactically challenging forest areas.
Russian forces continued to unsuccessfully attack settlements southeast of Siversk
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Russian forces launched several assaults northeast and south of Bakhmut, and are likely attempting to improve tactical positions near Horlivka.
Russian forces made limited gains northwest of Donetsk City and near the Zaporizhia-Donetsk Oblast administrative border.
Russian forces are likely preparing to defend their ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in the Melitopol-Tokmak-Berdyansk triangle by mining settlements on the eastern Zaporizhia Oblast frontline.
Russian federal subjects are continuing to form new volunteer units and advertise contract service while facing recruitment challenges.
Russian occupation authorities are struggling to increase control measures in occupied territories amidst increased partisan activity.
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Russian forces are struggling to increase control of occupied territories amid fears of increased partisan activity. Several partisan attacks and reports of a Ukrainian counteroffensive have pushed occupation authorities to take more severe and highly visible measures to consolidate administrative control of occupied localities. Ukrainian officials in Kherson Oblast reported that Russian forces abducted Verkhnorohachytskyi District Head Svitlana Korotun on August 16 for refusing to collaborate with Russian occupation authorities.[52] This incident is part of a broader trend of Russian forces seeking to gain legitimacy by compelling collaboration from local authorities while “disappearing†those who refuse to comply. Occupation forces also seek to more closely monitor individual citizens. Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko reported that Russian occupation authorities opened a second filtration point on the eastern side of Mariupol and gathered over 1,300 residents for inspection on August 17.[53] Enerhodar Mayor Dmytro Orlov warned that plain-clothed FSB officers stationed at public, Russian Wi-fi access points monitor private conversations and steal personal data, sometimes leading to the detention of Ukrainian citizens
Did you notice your article was peppered with "if's"? It was. You may want to read it. There is actual information contained therein. But the boom in energy earnings only partly compensates for the damage from sanctions to the economy overall, analysts said.
The fact is Russia cannot get full price for its oil. It must sell at a $30-$40 discount.
And the fact is, revenue does not equal profit.
And the fact is, the price of oil is the cheapest it has been since the invasion. When Russia invaded, oil was at $92 and Russia could actually get that much. Now it is at $87 and Russia must sell for $50. Not clever, those Rooskies.
It's mostly a moot point. No one will sell Russia anything.
The war will destroy them economically. It may take a while.
KInda cool, I think. We went off to Vietnam, lost 57,000 people, spent a buncha money and lost. This time we lose no people, spend a buncha money and win.
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Some people feel western security may be threatened by a Russian win. If Russia succeeds here, what would prevent them from furthering their quest for territory?
That line of thinking is silly. The Taliban "won" and no one recognizes them as a legit political power or sovereign nation. Same concept will happen here.
Also, China is not going to let millions of Russian refugees come running into their country, you can bet they will be bailing out Russia if the time comes.
This is Russia vs. Ukraine, one poor corrupt country vs. another poor corrupt country. They will share borders forever. If either party wanted peace, it would've happened by now.
That line of thinking is silly. The Taliban "won" and no one recognizes them as a legit political power or sovereign nation. Same concept will happen here.
Also, China is not going to let millions of Russian refugees come running into their country, you can bet they will be bailing out Russia if the time comes.
This is Russia vs. Ukraine, one poor corrupt country vs. another poor corrupt country. They will share borders forever. If either party wanted peace, it would've happened by now.
Lots of people go around saying nonsensical stuff like "China and India will bail out Russia" because that what some of the media is promoting, so you can't be blamed for parroting what you've been told.
You should get out a map and calculate the distance between the portion of Russia where people live - Moscow; St Petersburg; Volograd - to the China-Russia border. It's 3,488 miles, with no major cities in between. I really don't see a refugee crisis forming there.
Lots of people go around saying nonsensical stuff like "China and India will bail out Russia" because that what some of the media is promoting, so you can't be blamed for parroting what you've been told.
You should get out a map and calculate the distance between the portion of Russia where people live - Moscow; St Petersburg; Volograd - to the China-Russia border. It's 3,488 miles, with no major cities in between. I really don't see a refugee crisis forming there.
Yeah. I suspected China would pick Russias side for other reasons. I figured they would leverage something from Russia in exchange. Either Russia wasn't willing to pay the needed price, or Chinas decided that backing Russia is a losing proposition. I suspect there may be a lot of "once the wars over we will be there to help you" messaging going on perhaps.
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