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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.49%
No 259 50.88%
Unsure 49 9.63%
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Old 11-10-2023, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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On the other hand, a Russian victory in Ukraine would be a defeat for the collective West and a disaster for Russia's neighbors. There is too much as stake here for them to give up on Ukraine.
You are more than welcomed to join the fight in Ukraine, if you believe western democracy is at stake. The collective West has a thing called "NATO" and has no obligation to be the world's police of every non-NATO country. We already tried "nation building," and it was a disaster.

Israel is different, oil actually controls the world, Israel actually has nukes (and will use them on Iran), Israel is a 1st world highly developed country, and the West cannot let Iran control that part of the world.

The price of oil affects global economies. Ukraine does not.
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Ukraine’s Top Commander Says War Has Hit a ‘Stalemate’
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/02/w...uzhny-war.html

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Old 11-11-2023, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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'Reporting from Ukraine' update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZwnpp1tto
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Old 11-11-2023, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 11/10/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...vember-10-2023

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Nov 10, 2023 - ISW Press

Ukraine’s Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) stated that Ukrainian surface attack drones sank two Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) small landing ships in occupied Crimea on November 10. The GUR published satellite imagery and reported that the Ukrainian surface attack drone strike on Uzka Bay near Chornomorsk, occupied Crimea sunk one Project 1176 Akula-class small landing ship and one Project 11770 Serna-class small landing ship. The GUR reported that the Serna-class ship was carrying a crew and was loaded with armored vehicles, including BTR-82 armored personnel carriers, and that Russian forces previously used Serna-class ships to provide cover for Russian BSF ships during raids when Russian forces lacked naval air-defense equipment
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Old 11-11-2023, 07:27 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Also known as “common sense.”
Common sense is the stuff that would lead you to believe water shrinks when it freezes. After all, everything else does.
Knowledge. That's the stuff that counts.
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Old 11-12-2023, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Denys update..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aZ2KR4w5oA
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Old 11-12-2023, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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'Reporting from Ukraine' update...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2MUsa0QLQ
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Old 11-12-2023, 03:49 AM
 
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'Reporting from Ukraine' update...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K2MUsa0QLQ
This sounds horrible.

Shooting fish in a barrel.

What must it be like driving through a junkyard of destroyed equipment, crawling over piles of dead bodies, knowing others will soon be crawling over you.

Are Russian soldiers being given drugs?

How do they convince them to commit suicide like this?
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Old 11-12-2023, 08:04 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Binance is the world's largest crypto currency exchange.
They are leaving the Russian market and will stop accepting Russian ruble deposits starting next week.

“From Nov. 15, 2023, we will stop offering fiat deposits in Russian rubles,” Binance said in a statement.
Ruble withdrawals will continue to be available until Jan. 31, 2024, the exchange added.


This is not a sanction of any sort. It is a boycott and is added to the list of thousands of companies who have left Russia. Most will never return. Others, however, may resume activities such as oil and gas support at some distant point in the future.


For its part, Russia is forced to develop expensive Liquified Natural Gas production facilities to replace the pipelines that are now of little value. Exported LNG is a major US product and is exported mostly from Louisiana. It remains to be seen if Russia can develop modern LNG facilities without western assistance.



Russia is attempting to buy back military hardware they have previously sold to other countries. Egypt, for example, has been asked to sell back to Russia the helicopter engines purchased in the past several years.
It appears two things have happened - (1) Russia cannot sell military equipment because its performance in the field has been show to be inadequate, and (2) Russia can no longer manufacture what it needs to support the war in Ukraine.
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Old 11-12-2023, 02:35 PM
 
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ISW Update 11/11/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...vember-11-2023

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Nov 11, 2023 - ISW Press

Russian forces launched a large-scale missile and drone strike series against Ukraine on the night of November 10 to 11, targeting Kyiv Oblast for the first time in 52 days. Ukrainian military sources reported on November 11 that Russian forces launched 31 Shahed 131/136 drones, two Kh-59 missiles, one Kh-31 missile, one P-800 Onyx anti-ship missile, and an S-300 missile against various targets in Ukraine, and specifically targeted Kyiv Oblast with either an Iskander-M or an S-400 missile. Ukrainian air defenses downed 19 Shaheds (primarily targeting front line areas), one Kh-59 missile, and used a Patriot air defense system to destroy the ballistic missile targeting Kyiv Oblast. Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces were targeting an air defense system at the Boryspil Airport near Kyiv City. The Kyiv City Administration stated that it has been 52 days since Russian forces last launched a missile strike against Kyiv Oblast.
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Old 11-12-2023, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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When Ukraine officially loses this war, will the Ukraine shills have any shame for supporting an easily avoidable and pointless war? Will Zelensky be murdered for needlessly getting people killed when a peace deal had already been worked out in the first weeks? Will the Ukrainian people realize they were manipulated into a war for the benefit of America, not Ukraine? Will Europeans realize the greatest enemy of Europe and the white race is the United States of America?
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