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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.78%
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Old 05-29-2023, 10:22 PM
 
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Brilliant strategy huh?



Well, now that Bulgaria sacrificed itself for the common cause of Mordor destruction, by rejecting cheap gas, its government can rightfully ask for the hefty financial support from EU and the Big Bro, to embezzle them promptly...


So yes, it's a good strategy, if you have access to the pie.


As of the Bulgarian economy. It's down the sewers long ago. First thing IMF and WB did, after Bulgaria joined EU, was to tell them to shut down their agriculture, as they already had cheaper produce from Holland. And Bulgaria is, pretty much, agrarian country and, Bulgarian females are not known for beauty, to use that card. Sp yes. some tourists attractions and money from Zlate Piaski, but not much else.


https://www.invia.sk/dovolenka/bulharsko/zlate-piesky/


Germans love that resort...
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Old 05-29-2023, 10:34 PM
 
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Somebody should have asked the US Army since they operate aur defense missiles in the US military
Truth, but it's one thing to practice and simulate, another to have a real-life "unstoppable" hypersonic missile hurtling towards you.
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Old 05-29-2023, 10:48 PM
 
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Interesting.. Theyu shot down all Iskanders?


Hmm. Let's see..


Can the US stop a ballistic missile?




To increase the probability of an intercept, the United States has to shoot multiple interceptors at each incoming ballistic missile. At present, because its inventory of interceptors is limited, the United States can shoot down only a handful of ballistic missiles that have relatively unsophisticated countermeasures.Oct 18, 2022


So that's that for the mightiest army in the world. Apaprently, Ukraine has better tech, as Iskanders are ballistic missiles.
Oh, come on now.
For those following along at home, this is where the quote is lifted from.

https://www.heritage.org/military-st...issile-defense

The paragraph specifically addresses the mid-course interceptors designed to counter ICBMs.

SRBMs (Iskanders, for instance) and ICBMs are very different animals. (That is to say nothing of the Iskander-K, which is a cruise missile, not ballistic.)
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Old 05-29-2023, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by Taratova View Post
Why don't Europe just give their country over to Russia so you can stay warm at a very cheap price. After all Putin would love that or use other alternatives to survive.
What the hell are you talking about? When did Russia ever demand anything from Europe? It was America who blew up Germany's pipelines. It was America who orchestrated a coup in 2014.

I know you only watch CNN so you won't understand this, but it was America who wanted this war.

This is a study from a government-funded foreign-policy think-tank. This is the shortened version

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...ND_RB10014.pdf

This is the longer version.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR3063.pdf

If you want more information about the RAND corporations here is the wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVjPh-8JMJQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJdbAUJIcGY

If you read the studies, you'll hear the word "competition" a lot. When Joe Biden pulled out of Afghanistan he made a speech where he said...

https://www.commonspace.eu/news/bide...ssia-and-china
"We’re engaged in a serious competition with China. We’re dealing with challenges on multiple fronts with Russia. We’re confronted with cyberattacks, and nuclear proliferation. We have to shore up America’s competitiveness to meet these new challenges in the competition for the 21st century. We can do both: fight terrorism and take on new threats that are here now, and will continue to be here in the future. And there’s nothing China or Russia would rather have, would want more in this competition than the United States to be bogged down another decade in Afghanistan."
The Afghanistan pullout was a few months before the Ukraine War. A few weeks after the pullout, America and Ukraine held joint-NATO exercises in Ukraine.

In short, the Ukraine War is part of a strategy to defeat Russia. If we defeat Russia, China is next. We will do everything we can to force China's hand in Taiwan using similar tactics, and with Russia out of the way, China will be completely encircled.

And that is why this war is so dangerous. There is a higher chance of WWIII than for an outright Russian defeat. China cannot afford for Russia to lose. All that was required to prevent war was Ukrainian neutrality. Which Zelensky's adviser explained back in 2019.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8

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Old 05-29-2023, 11:45 PM
 
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What the hell are you talking about? When did Russia ever demand anything from Europe? It was America who blew up Germany's pipelines. It was America who orchestrated a coup in 2014.

I know you only watch CNN so you won't understand this, but it was America who wanted this war.

This is a study from a government-funded foreign-policy think-tank. This is the shortened version

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...ND_RB10014.pdf

This is the longer version.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR3063.pdf

If you want more information about the RAND corporations here is the wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVjPh-8JMJQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJdbAUJIcGY

If you read the studies, you'll hear the word "competition" a lot. When Joe Biden pulled out of Afghanistan he made a speech where he said...

https://www.commonspace.eu/news/bide...ssia-and-china
"We’re engaged in a serious competition with China. We’re dealing with challenges on multiple fronts with Russia. We’re confronted with cyberattacks, and nuclear proliferation. We have to shore up America’s competitiveness to meet these new challenges in the competition for the 21st century. We can do both: fight terrorism and take on new threats that are here now, and will continue to be here in the future. And there’s nothing China or Russia would rather have, would want more in this competition than the United States to be bogged down another decade in Afghanistan."
The Afghanistan pullout was a few months before the Ukraine War. A few weeks after the pullout, America and Ukraine held joint-NATO exercises in Ukraine.

In short, the Ukraine War is part of a strategy to defeat Russia. If we defeat Russia, China is next. We will do everything we can to force China's hand in Taiwan using similar tactics, and with Russia out of the way, China will be completely encircled.

And that is why this war is so dangerous. There is a higher chance of WWIII than for an outright Russian defeat. China cannot afford for Russia to lose. All that was required to prevent war was Ukrainian neutrality. Which Zelensky's adviser explained back in 2019.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8

Let me guess, you think it was America that invaded Ukraine? Russia is getting their ass kick, you might as well accept it.
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Old 05-30-2023, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Let me guess, you think it was America that invaded Ukraine? Russia is getting their ass kick, you might as well accept it.
1) I think America wanted to force Russia's hand. We're doing something similar in Taiwan. We declare a One-China Policy then arm Taiwan to the teeth and encourage Taiwan to violate it. The more Russia and China fight with their neighbors, the better for America. America has nothing to gain from peace(and everything to lose).

2) I don't know if Russia is getting its ass kicked or not. I'm not overly concerned with the details of the war. I'm looking at the big picture. I'm a grand strategist, not an ignorant pleb rooting for a team.
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Old 05-30-2023, 03:33 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Ukraine hits Russia where the elites live in Moscow..lol..give 'em a taste of their own medicine..Russia says they shot down all the Ukrainian drones..I hope some of them fell on their Mercedes..

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...or-2023-05-30/
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Old 05-30-2023, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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update from the front..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIpdwx7Vcz0
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Old 05-30-2023, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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so with the drone attack on Moscow in broad daylight and incursions in Belgorod, isn't this enough for Putin to declare a full mobilization?..
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Old 05-30-2023, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Interesting.. Theyu shot down all Iskanders?


Hmm. Let's see..


Can the US stop a ballistic missile?




To increase the probability of an intercept, the United States has to shoot multiple interceptors at each incoming ballistic missile. At present, because its inventory of interceptors is limited, the United States can shoot down only a handful of ballistic missiles that have relatively unsophisticated countermeasures.Oct 18, 2022


So that's that for the mightiest army in the world. Apaprently, Ukraine has better tech, as Iskanders are ballistic missiles.

Boy gets his news from the Nuland family what do you expect him to think?
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