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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.80%
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:22 PM
 
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I see - everyone is trying to cope with the loss of Bakhmut, as much as they can - be that "Wartog Defense," or "Denys" or the ISW.

Picking and choosing the snips from Prigozhin's speech and not finishing his full sentences.
I have to remember what Tzazev said today:

"Wait for Ukrainian DRGs (reconnaissance sabotage groups) strikes to be carried out in different parts of the world" - Tsarev.

Oleg Tsarev, ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, former first speaker of the parliament of Novorossia, told Tsargrad.

We need to wait for the work of the DRG, because Zelensky clearly and with big pleasure works with the media. And he has recently had three major failures, that took place by the time of the G-7 summit: the loss of Bakhmut, the lack of a counter-offensive, the disappearance from public eye and rumors about the severe injury of Zaluzhny ( Ukrainian commander in chief.)"

So yes, they all need to try harder to cope with bad news.

Because truth to be told - Ukrainians lost three times more than Wagner ( as it was intended,) and that's why the Ukrainian offensive has been postponed. Again.

That's first.

Second - those "Russian prisoners speaking the truth" are the yesterday's convicts from the Russian penitentiary system. Now they are hired by the MoD, once they prohibited Wagner from recruiting them, but unlike Wagner, MoD treats them like garbage, so good for them that they surrendered and made their case public.

And the last but not least - while "singing Ukraine praises," Prigozhin knows what he is doing. He wants more Ukrainians in his ranks, ( and he will get them I'm sure.)

Because while giving his enemy praises, he reminds who is the number one never the less.

And it ain't Ukrainian army that lost Bakhmut to Wagner.

But other than that, Prigozhin speech was coming as a warning to the Russian government and "Russian elite" alike, that "fun times" are over, they need to bring back all their children from Dubai, London ( and other cushy places,) and to start switching the country to the war mode of operation.

Will they listen? That I don't know, but from his speech I am trying to get clues of what Russia is going to be under the "new management."

Which I am getting more and more sure is coming.

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Old 05-24-2023, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I see - everyone is trying to cope with the loss of Bakhmut, as much as they can - be that "Wartog Defense," or "Denys" or the ISW.

Picking and choosing the snips from Prigozhin's speech and not finishing his full sentences.
I have to remember what Tzazev said today:

"Wait for Ukrainian DRGs (reconnaissance sabotage groups) strikes to be carried out in different parts of the world" - Tsarev.

Oleg Tsarev, ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, former first speaker of the parliament of Novorossia, told Tsargrad.

We need to wait for the work of the DRG, because Zelensky clearly and with big pleasure works with the media. And he has recently had three major failures, that took place by the time of the G-7 summit: the loss of Bakhmut, the lack of a counter-offensive, the disappearance from public eye and rumors about the severe injury of Zaluzhny ( Ukrainian commander in chief.)"

So yes, they all need to try harder to cope with bad news.
Thank you for your concern it's really a difficult time..LOL
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:29 PM
 
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This is all coming out of Russia
I know, where it is all coming from, John. I listen to them daily. Ever since the break down of the USSR, Russia was indoctrinated into pro west liberal mentality as much as possible. The 5th column there is immense and Prigozhin rightfully mentioned beloved Iosif Vissarionovich, who would have, for starters, executed 200 generals and hung 201st, just for esthetics.
This is why value to all that "Russian bloggers" opinion is worth old donkey turd and even less. Traitors are traitors.

MOF, John, it is not coming from Russia. It is coming from West special ops, specializing in public opinion shaping, through the mouths of them traitors. John.
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:30 PM
 
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Thank you for your concern it's really a difficult time..LOL

12 Russian generals have been killed. One Ukrainian general may have been wounded and the Ruskateers are clapping and cheering like they won The World Series.


The destruction of Russia continues. Fortunately, they are doing it to themselves. They need very little help from Ukraine.
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:32 PM
 
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Speaking of which.
Now, that it is finally confirmed beyond any doubt, that Artemovsk is taken over by Russia - Listener, where is my apology? Remember, you called me liar few days ago?
I call you back now.
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:39 PM
 
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12 Russian generals have been killed. One Ukrainian general may have been wounded and the Ruskateers are clapping and cheering like they won The World Series.


The destruction of Russia continues. Fortunately, they are doing it to themselves. They need very little help from Ukraine.
Darn, Russian military is doomed!!

Hold on. Thriteen, you say?
ONLY?

Russian Defense Ministry: more than 50 Ukrainian generals and officers died near Krivoy Rog after a missile attack
03:52, June 19, 2022Source:Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation claims that at least 50 officers, including those of the highest rank, were killed during a missile attack on a command post of Ukrainian troops in the Dnepropetrovsk region of Ukraine.
The message of the Russian Ministry of Defense says that on June 18 at 12:30, the Russian military launched a strike with long-range sea-based Kalibr missiles at a command post of Ukrainian troops near the village of Shirokaya Dacha (37 kilometers from Krivoy Rog). It is alleged that a military meeting was held there at that time.
“As a result of the strike, more than 50 generals and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed, including the general staff, the command of the Kakhovka group of troops, air assault troops and formations operating in the Nikolaev and Zaporozhye directions,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.


https://meduza.io/news/2022/06/19/mi...aketnogo-udara

That was ONE strike, my friend. ONE.
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:42 PM
 
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Rooskateers are getting pretty excited.
Has something happened lately?


If Russia does not withdraw from Ukraine soon, they will become so weak that they will be unable to prevent the withdrawal of several of its strongest republics. In 1992 the republics each declared their own independence. This declaration was largely ignored by Russia, but that was back when Russia could fight. We are now approaching the point where Russia can no longer wage war with its own republics.
Should cracks show in the Kremlin's power Chechnya may again turn on its master. And this time Chechnya may have company in the form of other republics who feel "used" by the ethnic Russians. Civil war.

Russia celebrates Victory Day and well it should, since WW2 was the last war Russia actually won. The more common result of Russian adventures since then has been one of strategic overreach and ignominious withdrawal.
The final breakup will be ugly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95c7k9ph5A

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Old 05-24-2023, 09:34 PM
 
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Rooskateers are getting pretty excited.
Has something happened lately?



If Russia does not withdraw from Ukraine soon, they will become so weak that they will be unable to prevent the withdrawal of several of its strongest republics. In 1992 the republics each declared their own independence. This declaration was largely ignored by Russia, but that was back when Russia could fight. We are now approaching the point where Russia can no longer wage war with its own republics.
Should cracks show in the Kremlin's power Chechnya may again turn on its master. And this time Chechnya may have company in the form of other republics who feel "used" by the ethnic Russians. Civil war.

Russia celebrates Victory Day and well it should, since WW2 was the last war Russia actually won. The more common result of Russian adventures since then has been one of strategic overreach and ignominious withdrawal.
The final breakup will be ugly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95c7k9ph5A
They are bit touchy lately...LOL
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Old 05-25-2023, 03:12 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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update from the front..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VxMqN9XFeE
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Old 05-25-2023, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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ISW a trusted news source? Right.


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/w...beware-of-isw/
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