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Old 12-23-2021, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Even I am surprised at this massive 4.5X difference. The charts are official and per latest UK data as far as I can tell.
What it means is that if a vaccinated person gets infected, it is more likely to be the Omicron variant, not that the vaccinated are more likely to get infected than the vaccinated.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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What it means is that if a vaccinated person gets infected, it is more likely to be the Omicron variant, not that the vaccinated are more likely to get infected than the vaccinated.
Not what I got from charts.

And why even discuss Delta or any other non-Omicron variants if:

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The Omicron variant is estimated to account for more than 80% of new Covid-19 cases in London, officials said on Friday.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/19/omic...gger-wave.html
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Not what I got from charts.

And why even discuss Delta or any other non-Omicron variants if:
Read the discussion in the link.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:21 PM
 
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If you actually bother to go to the data itself on the U.K. site, here is what the analysis says. Interesting that the "Daily Sceptic" left this out, or the OP did:

Main points:
·****** Age: Compared to other ages, young children testing positive for COVID-19 are less likely to have infections compatible with the Omicron variant. Those in their 20s and 30s with COVID-19, however, are more likely to have infections compatible with the Omicron variant.

·****** Deprivation: Those infected with COVID-19 who live in more deprived areas are more likely to test positive with infections compatible with the Omicron variant.

·****** Urban: Those infected with COVID-19 and living in major urban areas and urban cities/towns are more like to test positive with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared to those living in rural areas.

·****** Ethnicity: There is some evidence to suggest that people who test positive, for COVID-19 who report being from ethnic minorities are more likely to test positive with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared to those who identify themselves as White.

·****** Traveling abroad: Those who travelled abroad in the last 28 days and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to test positive for infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared to those who did not travel.

·****** Reinfection: Those who have previously been infected with COVID-19 and become reinfected are more likely to test positive for an infection compatible with the Omicron variant, compared with those who test positive with their first infections.

·****** Vaccination status: Those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Read the discussion in the link.
The discussion is by the "Daily Skeptic" author and the comments primarily anti-vax.

Glad you admit to trusting this source :-)
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:24 PM
 
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You have misunderstood what the study is doing. These early results show the characteristics of people more likely to be infected with the Omicron variant compared with the Delta variant.

So the study stats show that someone who is unvaccinated is as likely to have one or the other virus. Someone who is triple boosted and tests positive is 4.45 more likely to have the new virus.

This study absolutely does not conclude that triple boosted individuals are 4.5 times more likely to get the omicron virus over someone who isn't vaccinated. Just that if the person is boosted and does get the virus they are 4.5 times more likely to have the new variant.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I just heard of a triple vaxxed, cautious, wears n95 masks guy who has Covid.
One of my co-workers had COVID December 2020 (same time as me), was fully vaxxed when eligible, and still tested positive for COVID over the weekend. He jumped on the team meeting for a few minutes earlier this week and he was so grumpy.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:25 PM
 
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The discussion is by the "Daily Skeptic" author and the comments primarily anti-vax.

Glad you admit to trusting this source :-)
Uh, I think she means that you should reak the discussion in the actual site that provides the data, and not be led around by the nose/led astray buy these anti-vax sites.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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I just heard of a triple vaxxed, cautious, wears n95 masks guy who has Covid.
I know someone in the same situation. Highly immune compromised individual at that.

Thankfully being triple vaxed meant they did not need hospitalization. She has a team of doctors and they all expressed relief that she was fully vaccinated. They all (in separate conversations) said the same thing -- if she had not been vaccinated she would have been on a ventilator in a hospital.

I know -- dramatic prediction but it does seem to suggest that.
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Old 12-23-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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That's a big load of nothing that has been spun by a website that drives its traffic by pandering to people who accept what they read at base value simply because it fits their narrative.. Either that or they're just dumb.


The only thing it possibly shows is that there is significant vaccine evasion happening

As of December 14th, the percentage of Omicron in the UK was 20%


So, someone who has had three doses of vaccine, the most likely strain that they COULD get would be Omicron.

Whereas the lesser or non vaccinated are vulnerable and infected by multiple different strands.

It's not showing total cases, it's just showing the odds of getting a specific variant. Obviously, if the odds are < 5% you'll get anything other than Omicron, and the odds are.. 40% that you'll get Omicron, guess which one is going to have the higher rate of infection? Whereas, if you're vulnerable to all, it'll be a more even mix of infections.

For that to make any sense, first off, you'd have to have a comparison to the percentage of being infected with other variants, which is not provided. Followed by the total number of positive tests of any variant, broken down by vax status.
We’re only vulnerable to the variants that are currently circulating. Right now that is delta and omicron with omicron quickly taking over. Hopefully catching omicron will offer some protection for future variants.
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