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Old 12-01-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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End the war on drugs which unfairly penalizes minorities especially those in the inner city. But prescription drugs, which kill more people than automobile accidents, get the okay because government has deemed then allowable.
Unless someones rights have been violated government should stay out.
Stop doing drugs if you don't want to go to prison. I have been on prescription pain killers due to a back injury for nearly 4 years off and on. No way would I ever break the law and do something stupid like sell them to a stranger, drive while I'm intoxicated on them, or anything else that would send me to jail. If I were to do anything illegal to my prescription drug, I would then fairly be penalized by the authorities.

Why is it that when minorities get caught doing something illegal they are being treated unfairly? STOP DOING THE FRIGGING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY YOU DUMBASS!
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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From the same speech you linked to:

… today, civil rights is a dominating issue in every state, crowding the pages of the press and thedaily conversation of white Americans. ….This was a victory that had to precede all other gains.

...[We] have pioneered in developing outstanding poverty programs totally controlled and operated by residents of the area….

...Through Operation Breadbasket we have now achieved for the Negro community of Chicago more than twenty-two hundred new jobs with an income of approximately eighteen million dollars a year, new income to the Negro community.…another area through this economic program, and that was the development of financial institutions which were controlled by Negroes ….AndI can say to you today that as a result of Operation Breadbasket in Chicago, both of these Negro-operated banks have now more than double their assets, and this has been done in less than a year by the work of Operation Breadbasket. [applause]

... We aren't going to burn your store down. We aren't going to throw any bricks in the window.But we are going to put picket signs around and we are going to put leaflets out and we are going to our pulpits and tell them not to sell Sealtest products, and not to purchase Sealtest products."

…SCLC has entered the field of housing. … we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income housing with apartments for the elderly … this is the first project of a proposed … Housing DevelopmentCorporation which we hope to develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation we hope to build housing from Mississippi to North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. …in the next two or three years, we can build right here in the South forty million dollars’ worth of new housing for Negroes, and with millions and millions of dollars in income coming to the Negro community. [applause]

…the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his ownOlympian manhood. (Yes) … As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. (Yes)Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, ….No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths ofhis own being and signs with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation proclamation.

...Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm not talking about communism. …My inspiration didn't come from Karl Marx(Speak);… didn't come from Engels;…didn't come from Trotsky; …didn't come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago … I have to reject that...


Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and women, however black they maybe, will be judged on the basis of the content of their character, not on the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. [applause]

Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will recognize that out of one blood (Yes)God made all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir)

Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody will shout, "White Power!"when nobody will shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's power and human power. [applause]

The speech lists all the areas in which the Black community was working TOGETHER to solve their problems by empowering their communities. This was not a movement of "we are victims and the government OWES us!" It was a movement about personal self-esteem and empowerment of the black community working together to change society's restrictions and perceptions of the black community by creating economic strength within the community. Supporting black ownership of businesses and only doing business with other businesses that hired black employees and pouring income from black citizens back into black communities through cooperative private businesses to build new housing, etc

MLK was NEVER about communism, he was about dignity, honoring GOD and inspiring and encouraging his fellow black citizens to work together in a non-violent way to show white America that black Americans wanted nothing more than to be an integral part of America and if the whites refused to accept that, then the black citizens would show them by building a robust and strong black community that could no longer be denied by whites.

THAT is what the left refuses to acknowledge about MLK.
I never proclaimed Dr. King was a communist. But that is the accusation that was hurled at Dr. King at the time. It is also the accusation that is hurled at those, like Dr. King, who have advocated for a change in the way wealth is distributed. It is the accusation hurled at those, like Dr. King, who have advocated for a Guaranteed National Income.

In today's world if a church advocated empowering Black people by supporting Black run institutions, as Dr. King did, they would be accused of racism or reverse racism.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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WHAT? Operation Breadbasket was a community based organization that empowered IT's OWN COMMUNITY to achieve economic independence by investing and reinvesting in the community by those people living there. That is the antithesis of Affirmative Action, which seeks GOVERNMENT creating a false "quota program" that is based solely on the color of one's skin, regardless of abilities or qualifications.
However, Operation Breadbasket was not race neutral or colorblind.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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Funny considering that Kennedy's support of Dr. King and Nixon's lack of support was another turning point in the shift of African-American voters away from the Republican party. Although Dr. King Jr, did not declare publicly his support for either of the main political parties, his father, Dr. King Sr., most definitely switched parties his support because of Nixon's inaction and Kennedy's actions.
Kennedy's politicization of that event led to his being elected President, but that does not in any way translate into MLK switching parties.

Kennedy had nothing but contempt for MLK as history shows. Kennedy was a racist.

Nixon was a spineless coward for failing to support MLK (with whom he had a friendship) and, rightly so, MLK felt betrayed.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Yes there was. Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct because he didn't want to provide the cop (that was called to his home by a neighbor reporting a possible break in). Instead of simply showing the officer that he was the legal resident of the place and thanking the officer for following up on a possible break in to his home, Gates acted STUPIDLY and was arrested as a consequence of his belligerent attitude.

Of course, after Obama got involved and made it a public issue and photo op, the City of Cambridge had no choice by to drop the charges.
Dr. Gates was arrested after his identity had been confirmed and that the house was his legal residence where he was authorized to be living.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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Leaving aside whether or not we have actually had 1/2 century of Affirmative Action and whether or not to the extent it did exist it was good or bad governmental policy the point of the thread is that Dr. King never advocated ignoring race and the impact racial discrimination has on society. Dr. King did advocate for policies that would benefit certain communities in order to correct historic injustices.
Indeed. But, if we'd had had more Operation Bread Baskets there might have been a true community built between Whites & Blacks as opposed to what we have now. When government attempts to force people to do things, people have a remarkable ability to resist by one method or another. The present state of places like Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, Ferguson, etc speak for themselves on this.

It could have been much much different.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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SMH, conservatives and those that use words like *******. Reality check for you; MLK's dream was to handle race and race relations as mature adults. Color blind, does NOT mean, to zip it when it comes to talking about it at all (talking about race doesn't automatically equal racism, fools) and call anyone who has a legitimate beef and tries to fight it in some way a "race baiter".

Just had to say this was the best OP I have read in a while lol! And I am not being sarcastic. The bold was especially well written.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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I'm not saying that Dr. Gates did not also act stupidly. By the time Dr. Gates was asked to come outside the police had already verified his identity and that he was authorized by the university to be living there.
So what? Gates was asked to step outside, he knew why the police were at his doorstep, yet he chose not to comply with the simple request because he was tired from his trip and he felt that gave him the right to fall back on the race card and use it as an excuse not to comply.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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The conservatives on here either cannot read or totally missed by miles the point made in the opening thread. Using a metaphor, we hope that Cancer at some point in our lifetimes , will be cured. But not taking about it and not finding a cure doesn't mean that it will go away on it's own. Color blind, judged by content of character does NOT mean to shut the h e double hockey sticks about race issues! Sadly, GOP talk show hosts and other GOO or conservative leaders, especially since Obama was elected have figured calling anyone who even talks about race at all, the true racists, while continuing their racism with code (ex: Palin talking about Obama shuckin and Kevin while trying to pretend that she's not racist since she said that towards whites which I don't believe for a second).
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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I never proclaimed Dr. King was a communist. But that is the accusation that was hurled at Dr. King at the time. It is also the accusation that is hurled at those, like Dr. King, who have advocated for a change in the way wealth is distributed. It is the accusation hurled at those, like Dr. King, who have advocated for a Guaranteed National Income.

In today's world if a church advocated empowering Black people by supporting Black run institutions, as Dr. King did, they would be accused of racism or reverse racism.

Hurled at him by JFK. No, they would be destroyed by the black community for speaking out AGAINST the black community. You have a very twisted understanding of racism. How can it be racist to inspire your community to work together to create an economically more sound community?

That kind of talk would be respected and honored by conservative, just like it was when MLK was preaching about it.

Today, if any black celebrity or even a black politician talks about the black communities responsibility to its own community, they are called out as race traitors, "Uncle Tom's," House N-words, or puppets for the white man.

Any "criticism" or statements regarding the responsibility of the black community for itself has been deemed racist by the progressives and is forbidden from discussion in the public square.
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