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Old 12-01-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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However, Operation Breadbasket was not race neutral or colorblind.
So what? The purpose of its creation was to empower the black community. Um, d'uh. Neither is the Congressional Black Caucus. What is your point?

MLK was not advocating that black people should not support their own community to succeed and excel, he was advocating that such actions would and should result in the black community proving to the white community that black people are no less capable than whites. A fact not lost on conservatives, but the premise of every ideology held by progressive who see blacks as victims of history, who are incapable of success without the intervention of white politicians and government handouts.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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Dr. Gates was arrested after his identity had been confirmed and that the house was his legal residence where he was authorized to be living.

Right. He was arrested for failing to comply with the request by police and become disorderly. It had nothing to do with the initial call regarding a possible break in, but about Gates' inability to act civilly to the officer.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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MLK was a Republican, by the way. That should not be overlooked or forgotten here.
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Old 12-01-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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MLK was a Republican, by the way. That should not be overlooked or forgotten here.
It most certainly will be. It doesn't fit people's agenda.
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Old 12-01-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Hurled at him by JFK. No, they would be destroyed by the black community for speaking out AGAINST the black community. You have a very twisted understanding of racism. How can it be racist to inspire your community to work together to create an economically more sound community?

That kind of talk would be respected and honored by conservative, just like it was when MLK was preaching about it.

Today, if any black celebrity or even a black politician talks about the black communities responsibility to its own community, they are called out as race traitors, "Uncle Tom's," House N-words, or puppets for the white man.

Any "criticism" or statements regarding the responsibility of the black community for itself has been deemed racist by the progressives and is forbidden from discussion in the public square.
SMH, Spike Lee has said about Blacks, we've got to do better, and I have never heard him being call any word like Uncle Tom. Pay more attention.
Now if you only watch Fixed News, that has the Ben Carson's of the world on, who don't want anything to do with their own people but love to put them down, well, that's why you're way off base
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Old 12-01-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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The conservatives on here either cannot read or totally missed by miles the point made in the opening thread. Using a metaphor, we hope that Cancer at some point in our lifetimes , will be cured. But not taking about it and not finding a cure doesn't mean that it will go away on it's own. Color blind, judged by content of character does NOT mean to shut the h e double hockey sticks about race issues! Sadly, GOP talk show hosts and other GOO or conservative leaders, especially since Obama was elected have figured calling anyone who even talks about race at all, the true racists, while continuing their racism with code (ex: Palin talking about Obama shuckin and Kevin while trying to pretend that she's not racist since she said that towards whites which I don't believe for a second).
It is not the conservatives who are missing the point by a mile. I personally know of no conservative, including myself, who ever thought that ignoring skin color was the intention of MLK's speeches.

You are either in denial or sincerely obtuse to believe that conservatives are unwilling to discuss race relations with others. The issue is that any discussion regarding race, generally leads to a conservative being told they are racist, thus shutting down any sort of discussion.

Race hustlers are not racists in the true meaning of racism, but their presence in the debate is not meant to accomplish anything more than ginning up tension and further division of society (otherwise, they would become irrelevant).

On the other hand, there is no shortage of progressives on MSNBC or within the government that have no problem blaming all the ills of the modern black community squarely on the shoulders of every white American and the "white community" as a whole. Any attempt by a white person or the white community to disagree with being convicted of racial bigotry (without even an opportunity to protest) is deemed to be a bigot, racist, hater, denier of "white privilege," etc., etc.

How do you think that this kind of discourse is going to lead to any real discussion or healing when the white community is deemed by the Attorney General of this nation to be cowards because there is no national discussion about racism, but when a discussion is attempted, it is completely shut down unless the white person accepts full blame for the history of racism in America and lies prostrate before the government begging to pay reparations for all real and imagined injuries to the entire black community (except those blacks whom the black community have disowned because of their political ideology and success without victimhood).
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Old 12-01-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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SMH, Spike Lee has said about Blacks, we've got to do better, and I have never heard him being call any word like Uncle Tom. Pay more attention.
Now if you only watch Fixed News, that has the Ben Carson's of the world on, who don't want anything to do with their own people but love to put them down, well, that's why you're way off base

I don't have cable, so I don't fit your preconceived caricature you rely on when discussing issues.

I understand why you pointed to Spike Lee. He still blames the "white community" for all the ills of black communities, regardless of a speech he gave in 2005.

Spike Lee Gentrification Controversy: Hipster Is the New ******
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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So what? Gates was asked to step outside, he knew why the police were at his doorstep, yet he chose not to comply with the simple request because he was tired from his trip and he felt that gave him the right to fall back on the race card and use it as an excuse not to comply.
What was the continuing need for police involvement once Dr. Gates' identity was known and that they knew he was not trespassing on the property? The police should have left once they had determined that no crime was being committed.
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Old 12-01-2015, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Hurled at him by JFK. No, they would be destroyed by the black community for speaking out AGAINST the black community. You have a very twisted understanding of racism. How can it be racist to inspire your community to work together to create an economically more sound community?

That kind of talk would be respected and honored by conservative, just like it was when MLK was preaching about it.

Today, if any black celebrity or even a black politician talks about the black communities responsibility to its own community, they are called out as race traitors, "Uncle Tom's," House N-words, or puppets for the white man.

Any "criticism" or statements regarding the responsibility of the black community for itself has been deemed racist by the progressives and is forbidden from discussion in the public square.
Tell that to the folks at Trinity UCC in Chicago which was attacked by conservatives for Trinity's Black Value System https://trinitychicago.org/the-black-value-system/.
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Old 12-01-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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So what? The purpose of its creation was to empower the black community. Um, d'uh. Neither is the Congressional Black Caucus. What is your point?

MLK was not advocating that black people should not support their own community to succeed and excel, he was advocating that such actions would and should result in the black community proving to the white community that black people are no less capable than whites. A fact not lost on conservatives, but the premise of every ideology held by progressive who see blacks as victims of history, who are incapable of success without the intervention of white politicians and government handouts.
The point is that some people misinterpret Dr. King's statement "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" as his advocacy for a totally colorblind society where even acknowledging a person's racial or ethnic background is a form of racism.
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