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Old 12-01-2015, 11:50 AM
 
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For some reason I don't think that a person striving for equality would agree with just about ANYTHING put forward by liberals today. Where, in any writing of MLK, would there be the section saying "we need to put race before academics and make more Negro doctors" because that is exactly what we have done. Pulse + black + female = Medical Admissions. There was never any push for this during the civil rights era by a majority of people. MLK and the era of civil rights strives for a society where the merits and conduct of the individual could triumph over racial lines. Today we instead choose to enforce racism in the interest of "fairness" forgetting the lessons and accomplishments of those people who came before us.

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Old 12-01-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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Apparently many conservatives have forgotten what King stood for because now many conservatives claim his values align with theirs. To get there conservatives tend to quote a single line from a single speech and ignore the whole body of his writings and speeches.

Not really. It is the left that cherry picks MLK speeches for their own purposes. MLK was a staunchly religious (as well as a flawed human being) man, who moved people to act without violence, who inspired the black community to succeed by supporting itself through black owned businesses and other methods (boycotts, leafleting, picketing) to get white owned businesses to employ blacks.

MLK would NEVER approve of BLM for the very reasons he spoke about in the speech that was posted here.

MLK's value DO align with that of Conservatives, because MLK was a conservative.
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Old 12-01-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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How do you know that Dr. King would have been against Affirmative Action. I certainly would not claim Dr. King would have supported every action done under the label of Affirmative Action, but his actions when he was alive demonstrate that he was not opposed pressuring institutions to correct racial in balances.

In Dr. King's "Where do we go from here" speech Dr. King notes several of the achievements of Operation Breadbasket most of which in today's parlance would be labeled Affirmative Action.

The following is the first achievement that Dr. King spoke about.

“Where Do We Go From Here?,” Delivered at the 11th Annual SCLC Convention

The most dramatic success in Chicago has been Operation Breadbasket. Through Operation Breadbasket we have now achieved for the Negro community of Chicago more than twenty-two hundred new jobs with an income of approximately eighteen million dollars a year, new income to the Negro community. [Applause] But not only have we gotten jobs through Operation Breadbasket in Chicago; there was another area through this economic program, and that was the development of financial institutions which were controlled by Negroes and which were sensitive to problems of economic deprivation of the Negro community. The two banks in Chicago that were interested in helping Negro businessmen were largely unable to loan much because of limited assets. Hi-Lo, one of the chain stores in Chicago, agreed to maintain substantial accounts in the two banks, thus increasing their ability to serve the needs of the Negro community. And I can say to you today that as a result of Operation Breadbasket in Chicago, both of these Negro-operated banks have now more than double their assets, and this has been done in less than a year by the work of Operation Breadbasket. [applause]

WHAT? Operation Breadbasket was a community based organization that empowered IT's OWN COMMUNITY to achieve economic independence by investing and reinvesting in the community by those people living there. That is the antithesis of Affirmative Action, which seeks GOVERNMENT creating a false "quota program" that is based solely on the color of one's skin, regardless of abilities or qualifications.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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Where charges dropped or not? There was no rational reason for arresting Dr. Gates.
Yes there was. Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct because he didn't want to provide the cop (that was called to his home by a neighbor reporting a possible break in). Instead of simply showing the officer that he was the legal resident of the place and thanking the officer for following up on a possible break in to his home, Gates acted STUPIDLY and was arrested as a consequence of his belligerent attitude.

Of course, after Obama got involved and made it a public issue and photo op, the City of Cambridge had no choice by to drop the charges.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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The race card is pulled out when liberals don't agree or what's being said. You can't TALK when that's the case. Liberals put their hands over their ears first so why bother. You're just trying to shove your thinking up everyone else ass.
Exactly, this is a technique that progressives use to shut down discussion. Words like racist, homophobe, hater, religious fanatic, science denier, flat earther, etc., are used by the left for the only purpose of shutting down any discussion or debate on any topic upon which you do not agree or upon which they cannot logically or knowledgeably engage.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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Can't stand the Breadbasket movement because of Rev. JJ. Didn't MLK want to create a universal income not raise the minimum wage. Additionally, might be a bit confused on this a tax system that would be I think something involved tax credit for low paying tax payers. Then eliminate the welfare state and hand out yearly $10,000 to families. Create affordable college and housing. Make sure every American had a job and an income.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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Wonder how MLK would feel about all the murders committed along all the MLK boulevards across the country.


Who is twisting MLK's message?
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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He never mentioned who "you" might be. But no matter. We have had a 1/2 century of Affirmative Action and despite that, Dr. King's dream is unfulfilled in regards to being judged by race. The results speak for themselves. This is what happens when government gets involved in picking winners & losers.

If life was fair, we'd all have a whole lot less. It's folly to think that government can make it so. It can't because it has nothing. Before it can give, it has to take. Given what MLK had to say about things, I can't imagine that he would support it being turned into an institution.
Leaving aside whether or not we have actually had 1/2 century of Affirmative Action and whether or not to the extent it did exist it was good or bad governmental policy the point of the thread is that Dr. King never advocated ignoring race and the impact racial discrimination has on society. Dr. King did advocate for policies that would benefit certain communities in order to correct historic injustices.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Wrong, Kennedy (who had MLK's phone wiretapped) would not be brought down. He is after all a member of the party of Bill Clinton.

On the other hand, MLK was a Republican, so of course he would be vilified and destroyed by the left.
Funny considering that Kennedy's support of Dr. King and Nixon's lack of support was another turning point in the shift of African-American voters away from the Republican party. Although Dr. King Jr, did not declare publicly his support for either of the main political parties, his father, Dr. King Sr., most definitely switched parties his support because of Nixon's inaction and Kennedy's actions.
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Old 12-01-2015, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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There was no rational reason that Gates couldn't have stepped out onto the porch as requested to clear things up. They both acted stupidly and Obama should have kept his yap shut about it.
I'm not saying that Dr. Gates did not also act stupidly. By the time Dr. Gates was asked to come outside the police had already verified his identity and that he was authorized by the university to be living there.
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