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Old 02-21-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Wow, now the fact that a higher education level is required is problematic for some. Well then...

That's not the problem.

The problem is the more people have a degree the less valuable those degrees become.

If everyone had a college degree they would be the equal of a high school diploma.

And encouraging people that don't need to go to college to go is just setting them up for failure.

So is letting someone in on affirmative action if they are not qualified. They should go to a school they are qualified for and they are more likely to graduate. Proving once again liberals don't care about black people. Or women.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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When NAFTA was approved by Congress and signed by Clinton, Democrats had an overwhelming majority in both the House and Senate. Democrats could have easily rejected it, but did not.
You are correct about the Democrats having majorities in both houses.

Here is the breakdown on who voted for Nafta in the Senate, and who against:

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Looks like a pretty mixed group.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You are correct about the Democrats having majorities in both houses.

Here is the breakdown on who voted for Nafta in the Senate, and who against:

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Looks like a pretty mixed group.
Yes, it was a mixed group, but the point is that the Democrats with large majorities in both the House and Senate easily had the numbers to reject NAFTA. But they did not.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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That's not the problem.

The problem is the more people have a degree the less valuable those degrees become.

If everyone had a college degree they would be the equal of a high school diploma.

And encouraging people that don't need to go to college to go is just setting them up for failure.

So is letting someone in on affirmative action if they are not qualified. They should go to a school they are qualified for and they are more likely to graduate. Proving once again liberals don't care about black people. Or women.
I understand all of that, but that just means that you have to be more ambitious. Some of us have been perceiving the college degree as the minimum for sometime now. Affirmative action is no different than alumni privilege that largely benefits whites. Who really wants it will graduate.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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Yes, it was a mixed group, but the point is that the Democrats with large majorities in both the House and Senate easily had the numbers to reject NAFTA. But they did not.
True, many Democrats joined in with the Republicans to pass the bill. In the House, 132 Republicans were joined by 102 Democrats to pass the measure; 156 Democrats voted against, and 43 Republicans.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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True, many Democrats joined in with the Republicans to pass the bill.
Which they didn't have to do. Democrats had very large majorities in both the House and the Senate at the time. NAFTA could have been halted right then and there.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Even a $10/hour job as a document runner for this law firm requires a college degree now. All of this thanks to degree inflation, or shall I call it degree water down. All because liberals think everyone has the right to go to college. If one tries to even insinuate that maybe college might not be right for everyone. they throw a hissy fit.
When you turn the lights out at night, do you see people floating around the room above you?
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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I understand all of that, but that just means that you have to be more ambitious. Some of us have been perceiving the college degree as the minimum for sometime now. Affirmative action is no different than alumni privilege that largely benefits whites. Who really wants it will graduate.
BS.

Only about 20% of adults have a 4 year degree. Apparently most people do not perceive it as a minimum.

Affirmative Action does not benefit people who want to graduate if they are at the wrong school. If I get into Harvard because of AA and I'm not smart enough to graduate, no matter how much I want it, I ain't graduasting. I'm likely to flunk out with huge amounts of debt and no prospects for earning a high imcome.

Without AA, I could have gone to a Georgetown or Villanova instead of Harvard. Coulda graduated with a well-respected degree, less debt and a good job.

Been better of with Affirmative Action. But that doesn't matter to liberals. As long as we can say we are helping people. Don't pay attention to the results.

Affirmative Action is for losers. If you need it then you aren't capable but you want everyone to pretend you are.

And comparing a college alumni association to AA is nonsense. AA is a government policy that forces decisions on people against their will. Alumni Associations are mutually voluntary groups that don't force anyone to do anything. And what's wrong with using personal/business connections to better one's life? Everyone does it whether they went to school or not.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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EXCELLENT post!

There is no reason whatsoever why anyone should have their earnings confiscated under threat of imprisonment for the purpose of redistributing the fruits of their labor to those who do not take responsibility for their own actions. All that is is a form of slavery, tax slavery.
Amendment XVI:

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1:

The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare* of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

* general Welfare - Well being.

But it's "slavery", EH? LOL! I guess the framers were into enslaving the nation. Woohoo!
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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That's not the problem.

The problem is the more people have a degree the less valuable those degrees become.

If everyone had a college degree they would be the equal of a high school diploma.

And encouraging people that don't need to go to college to go is just setting them up for failure.

So is letting someone in on affirmative action if they are not qualified. They should go to a school they are qualified for and they are more likely to graduate. Proving once again liberals don't care about black people. Or women.

Good post! And yes Ohio does rule!
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