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Trying to tag a political view that limited government is best at preserving civil liberties with a totalitarian form form of government that allows only limited to no civil liberties is ridiculous on it face.
It's all a matter of degree and balance. We are a mix of the best and worst of both ends of the ideological spectrum. There is no doubt that a complete communist government would result in a totalitarian state. By the same token, Fascism is not any less totalitarian.
There is a middle ground where we as a nation make a commitment to insure our seniors and infirm are not ignored. This is the national moral contract and it does smack of socialism. But so what? By the same token, the preservation of family values and a sense of nationalism is important to a nations strength and is a valid part of the argument.
The sad fact is that if either faction had ultimate power, we would have a totalitarian state.
Trying to tag liberals as communists and Fascists at the same time, is a stretch and I wonder why you would even try. What is your agenda? To paint the left as Nazi enemies of our country? What's the point, is what I want to know.
The balance is between the two opposing philosophies. It's in the middle. That is the great challenge.
Feel free to click on the link and read through an easy description on wiki, I know you Cons want to pretend like Nazis are liberal socialists...but you are barking up the wrong tree on this one. This is also the reason why I never want to see the Republican party move too far to the right because there will come a point where the Republicans will get behind a leader who has a strong sense of nationalism, antisemitism, and racism.
It is great if you guys want to keep this thread going as a history lesson thread, but if you are trying to push a Con conspiracy theory, you are really grasping for straws on this one.
Oh there's racism alright, but it's not coming from republicans.
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The hate in Zuccotti
Last Updated: 7:30 AM, October 24, 2011
Posted: 2:19 AM, October 24, 2011
Pete Sutherland traveled to Zuccotti Park all the way from Georgia Friday, shivering as he wielded a handmade sign that read, “The Reason the Arabs Hate Us.”
“Jews are the smartest people in the world,” said Sutherland, 79. Not in a good way.“They control the media.”But no one tells the truth about the Hebrew people, as he sees it, because “the media doesn’t want to commit suicide by losing the Jewish advertisers.’’
“I’m not anti-Semitic,” he finished.
He’s not alone.
From the teacher who vowed to run “Zionists Jews who run these big banks” out of the country to the dude who mocked and danced in the face of a yarmulke-topped “bum,” Occupy Wall Street must no longer deny it.
Oh there's racism alright, but it's not coming from republicans.
So what you are saying is you have no interest in having an intelligent conversation....good luck with that.
As for racism, you clearly haven't paid close attention to those who identify themselves with the right. What's your opinion on gay marriage? A woman's right to choose? Blacks moving into your neighborhood? And so on. There is a history of the right being friendly towards racism, how many times have you thought negatively about Muslims or Mexicans?
Let me know if you want to have a serious conversation about this, but based on your posts so far, I am not holding my breath.
It's all a matter of degree and balance. We are a mix of the best and worst of both ends of the ideological spectrum. There is no doubt that a complete communist government would result in a totalitarian state. By the same token, Fascism is not any less totalitarian.
There is a middle ground where we as a nation make a commitment to insure our seniors and infirm are not ignored. This is the national moral contract and it does smack of socialism. But so what? By the same token, the preservation of family values and a sense of nationalism is important to a nations strength and is a valid part of the argument.
The sad fact is that if either faction had ultimate power, we would have a totalitarian state.
Trying to tag liberals as communists and Fascists at the same time, is a stretch and I wonder why you would even try. What is your agenda? To paint the left as Nazi enemies of our country? What's the point, is what I want to know.
The balance is between the two opposing philosophies. It's in the middle.
I have no agenda. I consider myself a classical liberal. I believe in; the rule of law, due process, individual liberties, limited government, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and free markets among other things. I believe hayek was right when he equated socialism with a form of serfdom.
Others believe in different forms of socialist governments. Ok. I'm not responsible for that.
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So what you are saying is you have no interest in having an intelligent conversation....good luck with that.
As for racism, you clearly haven't paid close attention to those who identify themselves with the right. What's your opinion on gay marriage? A woman's right to choose? Blacks moving into your neighborhood? And so on. There is a history of the right being friendly towards racism, how many times have you thought negatively about Muslims or Mexicans?
Let me know if you want to have a serious conversation about this, but based on your posts so far, I am not holding my breath.
I merely provided an article indicating antisemitism was present at an occupy wall street protest. It was germain to the topic you introduced. After all you expressed the fear, uncorroborated, that the republican party may become racist. Shouldn't you provide some support for your contentions? Wouldn't that be considered "serious?"
So, who is don black? Who are the "right wingers" you are refering to?
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