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Old 08-10-2012, 10:27 PM
 
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A single party totalitarian government for starters. limited civil liberties for another.
The left has been anti-civil rights?

 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:28 PM
 
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Since both the national socialists were a one party totalitarian system and the communists were a one party totalitarian system and the classical liberals were a multiparty system with a weak central government......connect the damn dots already.
So you're saying that every single monarchy in human history was "left-wing?" Because those are obviously totalitarian, single-party systems as well.

If you are defining "anything that isn't a multiparty democracy" definitionally as "left-wing," then you're not going to find many political philosophers or historians who would go along with you. Because under that definition, terms like "right-wing monarchy" (which show up a lot historically) would be impossible.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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A single party totalitarian government for starters. limited civil liberties for another.
You support locking up pot growers, doesn't sound like you are for civil liberties. I'm willing to bet that on many issues you side against civil liberties, Civil Rights Act, Real ID, Arizona SB1070, abortion, etc...
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:32 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Poland is a tough country.

The Soviet Union wanted Germany to absolutely crush Poland, so Poland would be easily absorbed into the Soviet's ambition for world domination after the war.

Polish Jews were wiped out.

The Nazis and Soviets hated each other.

Many Poles fought with the British against Germany.


They both invaded poland. Tough or not they couldn't fight both.

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The 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland was a Soviet military operation that started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939, immediately after the undeclared war between the Soviet Union and the Empire of Japan at the Battles of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan) in the Far East. The Molotov-Togo agreement between the USSR and Japan was signed on 15 September 1939, with a cease fire taking effect on 16 September 1939.[6] On 17 September, sixteen days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union did so from the east. The invasion ended on 6 October 1939 with the division and annexing of the whole of the Second Polish Republic by Germany and the Soviet Union.[7]
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:35 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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You support locking up pot growers, doesn't sound like you are for civil liberties. I'm willing to bet that on many issues you side against civil liberties, Civil Rights Act, Real ID, Arizona SB1070, abortion, etc...
I oppose legalizing pot so I am against civil liberties? Nice leap. Besides reading minds do you also levitate?
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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I oppose legalizing pot so I am against civil liberties? Nice leap. Besides reading minds do you also levitate?
Yes, pretty much. What civil rights do you favor that leftists don't. Give me some examples, prove me wrong.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:40 PM
 
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So you're saying that every single monarchy in human history was "left-wing?" Because those are obviously totalitarian, single-party systems as well.

If you are defining "anything that isn't a multiparty democracy" definitionally as "left-wing," then you're not going to find many political philosophers or historians who would go along with you. Because under that definition, terms like "right-wing monarchy" (which show up a lot historically) would be impossible.
Monarchies aren't part of this discussion. Having brought up the subject tho, which monarchies should we discuss? Some monarchies were limited by law and constitutional government. Some were/are absolute answering to no one. Some were/are just figureheads of state. So, where would you like to start? We do have a situation in communist north korea where the head of the communist party is a hereditary position. Would you care to label that one. I called it a communist monarchy. Just what would you call that one?
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:48 PM
 
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Yes, pretty much. What civil rights do you favor that leftists don't. Give me some examples, prove me wrong.
Let's see. You want me to prove your baseless accusations are "wrong?" Don't tell me, your a registered democrat, right? I'll tell ya' what. Why don't you prove your unfounded accusations are accurate. Put up or shut up.


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Old 08-10-2012, 10:50 PM
 
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Some monarchies were limited by law and constitutional government. Some were/are absolute answering to no one.
Right - but it wouldn't make a lot of sense to try to position them on a modern-day American left-right spectrum. That's the issue here. So for instance, if someone asked, "Where would you place King Canute's reign on an American political axis?" my reply would be - I wouldn't. It's inapplicable.

North Korea is also well outside of our political spectrum. It's some merger of a dynasty, a military dictatorship, and a command economy. The best we could do would be to look at individual policies of the regime, and look at those on an American political spectrum. But even that will have limited utility, since there is no American political concept that captures something like "juche" as it exists in North Korea.
 
Old 08-10-2012, 10:52 PM
 
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The left has been anti-civil rights?
Civil liberties is what I stated. You do understand the differences...right?



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civil lib·er·ties (lbr-tz)
pl.n.
Fundamental individual rights, such as freedom of speech and religion, protected by law against unwarranted governmental or other interference.
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civil rights
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The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship, especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and by subsequent acts of Congress, including civil liberties, due process, equal protection of the laws, and freedom from discrimination.
adj. or civ·il-rights (svl-rts)
1. Of or relating to such rights or privileges: civil rights legislation.
2. Of or relating to a political movement, especially during the 1950s and 1960s, devoted to securing equal opportunity and treatment for members of minority groups.
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