Neo-Nazis are Left Wing Extremists (Clinton, Kennedy, independence, solutions)
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Neo Nazi's hate government
Love guns and militia
Hate black people
Indoctrinate there kids with all manner of hateful attitudes.
Neo Nazi's are left wing?? i'm not seeing it, they actually more closely resemble on a political level the tea party members i know.The Neo Nazi's need to hate everything attitude is very much like the Tea Party mind set..
If hateful attitudes are the hallmarks of national socialists......
For me the core of right wing political thinking is exclusion. Right wing political ideology is at its core about excluding those who are the other. There is always this fear expressed by right wingers that the other is ruining the nation, world, race, religion, etc. To combat those others right wingers often employ the rhetoric of the perfect or near perfect group who if followed they'll set things right.
So for Neo Nazis and white supremacist groups the other is Jews, black people, mexicans, muslims, gay people, etc, and they are the supreme race who will save the civilization from those groups.
For American conservatives, you get the same sort of doomsday rhetoric and the other they want to exclude is not strictly based on race or religion(although it never is) but is more based on this identity of who is or who isn't a real American.
Now while American conservatives would certainly identify black people, mexicans, asians, muslims, gay people as not "real" Americans. They try to stay away from provactive racial language instead they take the more paternalistic approach that the Democratic party or liberalism has ruined these groups and made them UNAmerican.
Make no mistake that UNAmerican to conservatives means these groups are moochers, takers, immoral, lazy, radical, not assimilating, and worse of all changing the very Real American identity, they worship.
Conservatives feel great hostility towards those groups having their own poltical interests outside of what conservatives consider Real American interests. They want those interests excluded from American politics.
Also, American conservatives have this mythlogy surrounding this idea of a Real American. Again, a key component of right wing political ideology is the identification of those who are ruining things or threaten to ruin things, and then this ideal group of people who will make things right.
To me that is why white supremacist groups and Neo Nazis groups are right wing.
That video doesn't disagree with what I wrote it confirms it.
I wrote that while conservatives consider black people, mexicans, muslims, asians, and gays as unAmerican, they stay away from provocative racial and religious language and instead say that these groups were made UnAmerican by Democrats or liberals.
I wrote that conservatives feel great hostility towards the idea that these groups would have political interests that don't line up with what conservatives consider "real" American political interests.
The whole sarcastic video was an ode to that conservative philosophy.
The political spectrum is not linear; it is a circle. Extremism is a point on that circle and whether it is reached from one side of the circle or the other makes little difference. The end result is the same.
The political spectrum is not linear; it is a circle. Extremism is a point on that circle and whether it is reached from one side of the circle or the other makes little difference. The end result is the same.
You are correct. There is more than one way to approach this issue. The linear model would be the poorest approach.
Yeah well, I disagree with your.......uhh, disagreement.
Your disagreement is irrelevant without explanation.
What I wrote is that right wing poltical ideology has a need to exclude some group they have identified as runing the nation. I wrote that conservatives stay away from directly blaming those excluded groups as being genetically inferior, instead they blame liberals. I wrote that conservatives don't want those excluded groups poltical interests represented which are outside of conservative consider "real American" political interests.
Every sarcastic thing the guy said lined up with exactly those points.
Your disagreement is irrelevant without explanation.
What I wrote is that right wing poltical ideology has a need to exclude some group they have identified as runing the nation. I wrote that conservatives stay away from directly blaming those excluded groups as being genetically inferior, instead they blame liberals. I wrote that conservatives don't want those excluded groups poltical interests represented which are outside of conservative consider "real American" political interests.
Every sarcastic thing the guy said lined up with exactly those points.
Look, I mean no disrespect but what you don't understand, will never understand, is in the first 30 seconds or so of that video that pretty much sums up the conservative ideal;
"all people should be treated equally without regard to race and thus allowed to rise or fall in keeping with their individual commitments to hard work, self reliance, and personal responsibility."
That's what "most" conservatives mean by inclusiveness; everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed.
Conservatives don't, generally speaking, believe that fostering dependence on the government is a good thing at all. I can't speak for all conservatives here but I do believe some assistance from the federal government is necessary for those who cannot fend for themselves but to a much lesser degree than say most american liberals. I do believe, like the founders of the nation, that a smaller less powerful central government is to be prefered to the huge, powerful central government espoused by.........people like you; american liberals, social democrats, national socialists, communists, assorted marxists, ect, ect, ect.
I respect your decision to disagree with me. I just ask you treat me with the same respect I treat you with. I'm just trying to say american liberals, among others, just need to stop the hating those who do not agree with your political positions. The hate just needs to stop.
Look, I mean no disrespect but what you don't understand, will never understand, is in the first 30 seconds or so of that video that pretty much sums up the conservative ideal;
"all people should be treated equally without regard to race and thus allowed to rise or fall in keeping with their individual commitments to hard work, self reliance, and personal responsibility."
That's what "most" conservatives mean by inclusiveness; everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed.
Conservatives don't, generally speaking, believe that fostering dependence on the government is a good thing at all. I can't speak for all conservatives here but I do believe some assistance from the federal government is necessary for those who cannot fend for themselves but to a much lesser degree than say most american liberals. I do believe, like the founders of the nation, that a smaller less powerful central government is to be prefered to the huge, powerful central government espoused by.........people like you; american liberals, social democrats, national socialists, communists, assorted marxists, ect, ect, ect.
I respect your decision to disagree with me. I just ask you treat me with the same respect I treat you with. I'm just trying to say american liberals, among others, just need to stop the hating those who do not agree with your political positions. The hate just needs to stop.
First, conservatives are all for big government. Conservatives are all for people being dependent on government.
Conservatives support the big government programs of social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, military benefits, and military spending.
Many conservatives continuencies are thoroughly dependent on the government. Conservatives don't want a small central government. They want a powerful government in control of a huge military, that doles out billions in government money in benefits and government contracts.
They want a huge government that intervenes in abortions.
In the name of border security they want to racially profile muslims, and mexican immigrants thats big government.
They want a government that presides over a criminal justice system that locks more citizens than any nation.
They want a government that spies on American citizens. They want a government that does enhanced interrogations.
They want a more militaristic police force, with expanded powers for local police to detain and stop people. They want the government to expand voting laws creating new laws that didn't exist for hundreds of years.
So no conservatives don't want a smaller government it is all meaningless rhetoric to define their opposition to certain government activities as wanting a smaller government.
When conservatives talk about government dependency, they are talking about specific groups of Americans not really policy. They don't want those people being dependent. They don't want the government expanded to help those people.
What right wingers want is exclusion of those they identify as the other that is destroying the nation.
This is the core belief of right wingers and American conservatives fall very comfortably on that scale.
And that video was a complete ode to that thinking. This is not debateable.
First, conservatives are all for big government. Conservatives are all for people being dependent on government.
Conservatives support the big government programs of social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, military benefits, and military spending.
Many conservatives continuencies are thoroughly dependent on the government. Conservatives don't want a small central government. They want a powerful government in control of a huge military, that doles out billions in government money in benefits and government contracts.
They want a huge government that intervenes in abortions.
In the name of border security they want to racially profile muslims, and mexican immigrants thats big government.
They want a government that presides over a criminal justice system that locks more citizens than any nation.
They want a government that spies on American citizens. They want a government that does enhanced interrogations.
They want a more militaristic police force, with expanded powers for local police to detain and stop people. They want the government to expand voting laws creating new laws that didn't exist for hundreds of years.
So no conservatives don't want a smaller government it is all meaningless rhetoric to define their opposition to certain government activities as wanting a smaller government.
When conservatives talk about government dependency, they are talking about specific groups of Americans not really policy. They don't want those people being dependent. They don't want the government expanded to help those people.
What right wingers want is exclusion of those they identify as the other that is destroying the nation.
This is the core belief of right wingers and American conservatives fall very comfortably on that scale.
And that video was a complete ode to that thinking. This is not debateable.
The problem here is you are not debating. You are simply making hateful generalizations. You do realize you are being simply being intolerant of those who simply do not agree with your political positions don't you? You do understand that, right?
A lot of dumb assertions are made on this forum...
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Originally Posted by joebaldknobber
The Nazis were Socialists.
Socialists are liberals.
Liberals are left wing.
Nazis are extreme.
Therefore; Neo-Nazis are Left Wing Extremists.
... but this one is in a class of its own.
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