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Old 03-08-2012, 05:38 PM
 
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Right, the Virginia "VIP" (Vaginal Inspection Patrol) is all about religious freedom.
I would think that would be about health care. We get more info when we have a tooth pulled than we get before an abortion. Does that make sense?
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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The new mantra for our times---

"More contraceptives, less heart and cancer care." Nothing is free, not in this life.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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My concern is that with another increase in premiums people will not be able to afford their insurance policy.... so others can have birth control this person who just wants to be sure if they have a heart attack they have insurance will no longer have insurance because they can no longer afford the premiums.
Of course I'm hoping Obamacare takes care of that problem but that is two years away.
Did I read that right? The person who is at risk for a heart attack won't be ale to afford health insurance because insurance companies will have to pay the $10/month for BC pills? I'll fill you in on something - heart bypass surgery is a LOT more expensive than birth control drugs.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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If being pregnant isn't a disease, why did I end up in the hospital so often when I was pregnant? Why am I still having repercussions from that pregnancy (yet another doctor's appointment tomorrow) ten years later?

I understand what you're saying, but please don't assume that pregnancy is easy and desirable for everyone.

Here's a fun financial fact: The birth control that I'm taking (partially paid for by my insurance) is far, FAR less expensive than the overall cost of my pregnancy. The medication I was on to keep me alive during that pregnancy, without insurance, would have cost $27,000 for nine month's worth (that doesn't factor in the constant hospitalizations, ER trips, extra doctor trips, other meds I was on, the trip to the ER from the allergic reaction I had to one of the less expensive medications- that was fun- the birth, etc). That's equal to 45 years worth of my current birth control. Insurance covering part of my birth control makes WAY more financial sense for the entire insurance pool.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Here and There
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I don't want to be paying for your's or for other people's irresponsibility or behavior. If you can't afford to have a baby or don't want one yet. Then men, keep your zippers zipped and women, keep your legs closed until marriage.

People are already paying enough in taxes, we don't need to add on to the burden. Pay for contraceptive devices yourself if you want to have sex so badly. I don't want us to turn into Europe where many things are taxed, "subsidized" and "free."
Just because two people get married does NOT mean they necessarily want to have children. So, then what? Do you propose abstinence in a marriage?
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Wherever life takes me.
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Just because two people get married does NOT mean they necessarily want to have children. So, then what? Do you propose abstinence in a marriage?
I'd like to see that happen.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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I'd like to see that happen.
Yeah, me too! According to the poster, no sex until marriage is the way to go. Fine. Then what? They still have no right to use BC?
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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Because you're Dewwwwww I won't tell you to scroll back because I have already posted it.

Personhood USA is the group.
Amendment I think 68 in Colorado.
They have been trying in a few other states.
Well, thank you.

Do you understand that Amendment 68 would NOT have banned ALL forms of birth control?

I honestly think you are debating an issue you do not fully understand. I'm out. More fun to sit back and watch you argue your own "facts" while ignoring the people who have challenged you. It's free entertainment.

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Old 03-08-2012, 08:17 PM
 
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And who will be deciding if a woman needs them for pregnancy prevention, or for a medical need?

And seriously, all someone would have to do is tell their Dr. that their insurance won't cover it if it's for pregnancy, yet WILL cover it for medical reasons, and the Dr. will make a note about it in their chart. Happens ALL the time.

Of you that make the distinction, how will you handle cases like that?
that is between the doctor and the patient. it happens with a lot of medications, not just birth control.

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Ah but the problem is that the GOP wants employers to disallow coverage for whatever they wish based on religious arguments and that is indeed a slippery slope.
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The GOP wants to regulate businesses based on religious considerations. Normally GOP/conservatives get all up in arms about any kind of regulation, but this they defend. I wonder why....
no, the gop wants to allow insurance companies and businesses to not have to pay for things that go against the tenants of their religion. to understand this better, remove the word catholic and insert the word muslim. both religions are against birth control and against abortion. but somehow because catholics are making a fuss over it, it is a major issue.

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Maybe abortion won't be outlawed, but GOP lawmakers may well be successful in making women go through even more hell than they currently do with the forced ultrasounds etc.

The recent flap with the Komen foundation and the GOP gal pulling the strings didn't help the GOP cause any.
perhaps women who are wanting an abortion should have to have an ultrasound to see just what they are getting rid of. abortions are never going to be made illegal, unless the muslims take over the world, but perhaps some abortions can be eliminated, and those children put up for adoption.

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The Repubs picking Romney is just another example of giving us another pathetic joke of a candidate to hold our nose and vote for. This time, our "alternative" to Obama is Romney "the White Obama," the inventor of Obamacare and a Democrat until he was 50 years old, and the ex-Governor of the most liberal state in the nation.
actually romney tried to stop the state mandate for health insurance, but realized that he was not going to be able to. he also tried to stop a number of changes to the mass health care law, but his vetos were overturned. romney has stated many times that he would work to repeal obamacare if he is elected to office.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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If only Rick Santorum's mother had used birth control.....
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