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OP please don't lump Ron Paul in with the others. He has never said anything like what you describe. What's immoral is requiring me to pay for your birth control. If you want it, fine buy it. Don't expect others to pay for it which is what is going to happen.
I've heard this before. Rush said it too. Who is making you pay for someone else's birth control? The insurance company will gladly pay it as it lowers their overall costs.
So, to repeat and repeat again that the government is making you pay for someone else's birth control is misinformation.
Moreover, government has a right to regulate insurance and has been doing it for many decades. Government mandates many care items in policies that I am sure you are unaware of. Mandating that insurance companies seek out employees on a plan and write them plans, at no cost, providing CB, does not infringe upon any religious rights that you have.
The prerequisite to an abortion is a pregancy test. Not an ultrasound. Hell, you can carry a child for nine months and deliver it and exercise your right to opt out of ever having an ultrasound. My SIL, a nurse, did because she thought they were dangerous.
Exactly! When I had my first, in 1984, ultrasounds were just coming into vogue. My OB didn't do them unless there was a diagnostic issue that required one.
The teen pregnancy rate hit its PEAK in the 1950s, 1957, I believe. I have posted links before, not going to dig it up again; do a search. The number of pre-marital conceptions is probably the same as ever. I think there are fewer "unwanted" babies now. You are free to disprove me if you can.
What you fail to see is if people weren't out there advocating teenager's have sex at a young age over getting an education we might not have near the problems. The pressure on young girl's to be sex symbols and be sex objects is growing by the years.
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Originally Posted by Katiana
The gains "this" is taking away is the gain of having well-woman care plus contraception covered w/o additional expense.
Yes, you're missing a lot. I did some checking. In Colorado, a state with a contraception mandate, a 25 year old woman can expect to pay ~$200/mo ($2400/yr) for a health insurance policy that has a $30/$50 co-pay plus a $1500 deductible. That is $3900 cash outlay plus co-pays before the insurance kicks in. Is is so unreasonable for the insurance company to cover the BCP without a co-pay for that kind of money? Most 25 year old women will not see the doctor for anything else in a year of paying for this insurance.
The plan you offer is probably more for catastrophic this is what has been explained to me. If I want a plan that covers more things like blood test I've got to pay the higher premium. Which, is around $600-$800 a month. I think we need reform not adding on people's individual needs and certainly not ones that are offered free or at a low cost.
I find it interesting women at the brothel's who actually have sex for a living or poor women are not complaining about birth control, but women in college's paying for a lawyer degrees are.
What you fail to see is if people weren't out there advocating teenager's have sex at a young age over getting an education we might not have near the problems.
1- Pregnancy and birth control issue isn't limited to teens.
2- How in the world did you arrive at the conclusion that teenagers can only be advocated into having sex, and that it doesn't come naturally to them?
The prerequisite to an abortion is a pregancy test. Not an ultrasound. Hell, you can carry a child for nine months and deliver it and exercise your right to opt out of ever having an ultrasound. My SIL, a nurse, did because she thought they were dangerous.
Although, an ultrasound will be done prior to an abortion if there is any question about gestational age as if often the case with younger women who may have irregular periods.
Bottom line: women do already receive all of the information they need to make informed choices and to believe otherwise is just silly.
companies with religious objections should not be forced to pay for birth control in any form. and since birth control is cheap enough, if all you are using the pill for is birth control, pay for it yourself. you can get them at walmart as i understand for $9 a month. sound pretty cheap to me.
My religion is that I don't want to pay for men to have heart medication or access to viagara and cialis and other erectile medications.
Religious exceptions? Good, don't get any tax benefits and keep your objections. No medicaid/medicare payments to your hospital. Let's see how that works.
and in my opinion, if the only reason men buy viagra and other ED meds is to get a woody, then they should pay for it themselves, even though these meds are much more expensive than birth control pills(viagra is like $6 per pill!).
You know that this is baloney.
There are different needs for different women, medical exams and blood tests required. But you know that because it's already been discussed in this thread.
now you are being silly. some diabetes meds are cheap, metformin for instance is $3 per month at walmart. however glipizid is much more expensive as is insulin. the same thing applies to sickle cell meds as well as cholesterol meds(mine run $800 a month for one med.)
I feel that cholesterol meds shouldn't be covered for religious reasons and it's self-inflicted. I don't care if you pay for the insurance or not.
Too bad if you can't use the cheap stuff, it's only $3 at Walmart. You don't need a doctor to help regulate or find the proper med for you.
After all, women don't need specific hormones for their use of bc pills.
true, but again birth control pills are cheap to buy.
If they're so cheap to buy, what's your problem.
I also provided a nice link to the $11B that it costs the insurance industry for pregnancies per year.
I'm not asking you to pay for my bc pills, it's between me and the insurance company.
I pay for my benefits.
chielgirl, from your responses to my post you have no clue about a lot of things medical. for instance high cholesterol is not just about the foods you eat. you do know that the liver produces cholesterol right? so even if you never eat foods with ANY cholesterol in them, you can STILL have high cholesterol levels.
as for diabetes, again that is not always self inflicted either. most people who contract diabetes do so because the body becomes insulin resistant, meaning that the insulin that the body produces isnt effective anymore at controlling the sugar levels in the body. that is called type 2 diabetes. with type one diabetes, the pancreas stops producing insulin, it happens mostly with younger children though it can also happen with adults. one more thing, excessively low or high blood sugars can lead to death very quickly, and if you doubt me, ask katiana, or any other nurse or doctor.
i understand that birth control pills do have uses other than just birth control, but then so do ED medications. i have posted links about that a couple of times in this thread. i have no problem with men or women taking these meds and having the covered by insurance IF they are prescribed for uses other than just getting a woody or birth control.
There is no REAL moral issue across the board in 2012 against birth control. Buy your own. Why is that so hard?
What is an "insurance product"?
You have a lot to learn.
Let me start you on your way...doc says something is medically necessary for you? Insurance company denies...contact your state department of banking and insurance.
I learned it all when I went through professional insurance training in my 20's.
Insurance isn't just sitting there by chance. It's there in response to things that we want financial protection against. In terms of womans health hormonal BCP offer a variety of things beneficial to us and it's by prescription only so if I buy an plan with Rx coverage it damn well better cover the Rx's I use.
You can buy some Rx meds OTC but we cover them anyway. Why is that? BCP can't be purchased OTC and the ONLY WAY to get them is by getting a prescription from a medical professional and usually only after going in for a physical exam as well. You are correct (I hope) that there is nothing MORALLY wrong with BCP's yet we are singling them out, of all the drugs in the world, to question...right now. When it's never been questioned before, even by Catholics. I can't figure that out. It couldn't possibly be POLITICS could it? Please explain it to me without talking about how "people have a choice to have sex or not" since they have a choice to do all sorts of things covered by insurance.
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