Republican candidates and birth control... (Rush Limbaugh, gas prices, Iran, Israel)

[harborlady]

Originally Posted by Luke9686

OP please don't lump Ron Paul in with the others. He has never said anything like what you describe. What's immoral is requiring me to pay for your birth control. If you want it, fine buy it. Don't expect others to pay for it which is what is going to happen.

Disagree. He was a Doctor that was free to refrain from performing abortion by avoiding that aspect of the profession, but now he's whipping up a frenzy to abolish abortion. He is them now, flip flopping on what was a long track record for no reason he's stated. It appears it's just populist surely as everyone knows he's a libertarian on all other issues just living in the republican camp, which isn't republican anymore. But that's another thread.

[chielgirl]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Enjoy it while you can. When you hit 40 your doctor will tell you if you don't stop the pill you are in greater chance of having a stroke, breast cancer or heart attack.

Why not get a hysterectomy if you don't like what comes along with being a female? Then you won't have to worry about any of it.

Don't know very much about hormones, I see.
Doctor's won't sterlize women, let alone give hysterectomies, on demand.
But you know this because you've been involved in numerous threads about birth control and abortion.

Why don't you ever complain about insurance paying for fertility treatments?

How about if the religious folk want to deny women access, they give up all forms of tax benefit - be it medicare/medicaid payments, property taxes, etc.

[harborlady]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

Subject for Debate: Are Women People? | TIME Ideas | TIME.com
...recent instances of powerful men from the fields of law, politics and literature tackling the question that has captured America’s imagination: Are Women People?

Much more at link.

Hot dayum she kicked it!

You see, like most women, I was born with the chromosome abnormality known as “XX,” a deviation of the normative “XY” pattern. Symptoms of XX, which affects slightly more than half of the American population, include breasts, ovaries, a uterus, a menstrual cycle, and the potential to bear and nurse children. Now, many would argue even today that the lack of a Y chromosome should not affect my ability to make informed choices about what health care options and lunchtime cat videos are right for me. But others have posited, with increasing volume and intensity, that XX is a disability, even a roadblock on the evolutionary highway. This debate has reached critical mass, and leaves me uncertain of my legal and moral status. Am I a person? An object? A ward of the state? A “prostitute”? (And if I’m the last of these, where do I drop off my W-2?)

[harborlady]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

Don't know very much about hormones, I see.
Doctor's won't sterlize women, let alone give hysterectomies, on demand.
But you know this because you've been involved in numerous threads about birth control and abortion.

Why don't you ever complain about insurance paying for fertility treatments?

How about if the religious folk want to deny women access, they give up all forms of tax benefit - be it medicare/medicaid payments, property taxes, etc.

The (c)atholic propaganda machine is running pedal to the metal for the past few years. Men decided what they were going to think and there's nothing to discuss.

[chielgirl]

Another Time article:
Erika Christakis: What Got Lost in Birth-Control Debate | TIME Ideas | TIME.com

With this hysteria at a fever pitch, it’s easy to forget a few simple truths. Taxpayers spend more than $11 billion each year (in 2001 dollars) on costs associated with unintended pregnancy. It’s a conservative figure that only includes public insurance costs and not the larger financial burden of bringing unwanted children into the world.

How quickly some forget that the result of successful pregnancies are not going to be the focus of the fetus fetishists after they're born, when costs really kick in.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Let me rephrase that for you. You want your rights to feel good subsidized by someone else.

Well I want $100 million dollars, pay up.

Not this old canard again! Can't you guys come up with something better?

Originally Posted by janelle144

This is about religious liberty not only women's health. If women want insurace that covers BC and all the other fertility issues then work at another place. They are not forced to work at places that can't provide it.

This is against the conscience of those who do not agree with artificial BC. They also cannot provide for sterilizations, vacectomies or any other things that would block life such as the morning after pill also known as the abotion pill.

You don't need to agree with them but the government does need to allow them to have their religious convictions taken into consideration. Expecting someone to go against their conscience is evil. I assure you when it comes to that people will chose their God over their government.

Maybe that wouldn't work in other countries but our founding fathers set up our government for the this very reason. They knew the importance of religious liberty. People came here for that very reason.

In many communities, the Catholic hospital is the only hospital. In others, it may be the only one that offers you a job.

Originally Posted by janelle144

Don't work for a religious entity that can't provide BC and you can do as much BC as you wish.

For every problem, there exists a simple and elegant solution which is absolutely wrong.

- J. Wagoner, U.C.B. MathematicsPhilosophy Quotes - Literary Quotes About Philosophy and Practically Everything Else (http://quotes.prolix.nu/Philosophy/ - broken link)

Originally Posted by TrapperJohn

There are lots of crazy fringe groups in America.

There is a group that wants to ban guns - an explicit right. You might have heard of them - they call themselves Democrats.

Oh, baloney. Never mind, off topic!

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

The question you need to ask yourself is why women are so morally, mentally, physically and personally so inferior as the master gender that they have to have an unnatural drug just to get by.

Why do they need a drug just to get by, just to deal with something they've dealt with for millions of years?

Is it because they're whiny and simply can't deal with life these days or have they started to make decisions that are detrimental to their health?

So how much do you co-pay for all your Viagra? Or all your penile dysfunction devices?

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Colorado had a vote on a constitutional amendment to make a fetus a person from the moment of conception. Some people thought that might make certain BC methods illegal.

Yes. That is what I'd found. (Thanks, Kat.)

I was trying to make txtqueen understand that "the government" was not trying to ban all birth control which is what she seems to think. (Based on her growing rants against government in more and more of her posts.) I'll not get into her rants against religion.

[AuDiBelle]

Originally Posted by Katiana

You obviously have no idea how hard it is to get such approval, how many hours are wasted on phone calls, faxes, forms and the like in these cases.

Prove it. I've never had any problems, nor have I ever heard of this being a problem. I suppose some insurance companies are easier to work with, but I find it interesting that you glossed over my post that stated that getting approval is rarely even necessary if you have an approved diagnostic code.

Originally Posted by Katiana

The one who has the limited understanding is you, wys! Do you work at one of those insurance "help" desks that are staffed by high school drop-outs?

It is absolutely NOT simple.

Nice personal attack. I don't work for the insurance industry and I guarantee that I have far more education than an RN, thanks for asking. I would think that a nurse would already know appeals are rarely necessary with appropriate diagnostic codes. Did you fail to read my post? You conveniently ignored this one (it's post #55, BTW):

Originally Posted by whatyousay

Just wanted to add that many times an appeal isn't even necessary. If it is being prescribed for a diagnosed medical condition, the ICD-9 diagnostic code will suffice and the prescription will be covered by insurance. One only needs to appeal in cases where it is initially denied. No waste of time or additional paperwork as you contend. There is no ICD-9 code for wanting to prevent pregnancy , hence, not covered.

Originally Posted by Katiana

Virtually every hospital in the US accepts medicare, a federal govt. program. Most also accept medicaid, a federal/state program. The hospitals that don't accept federal money are few and far between. That you don't know this shows you don't know much about health care.

Oh, goody. More selectivity in responses. Who said I wasn't aware of this? It helps to read all of my posts in this thread to prevent jumping to crazy conclusions or think that I don't already know that hospitals accept medicare/medicaid, DUH. In case you missed my post referencing this, I'll repost (BTW, it's post #53):

"Hospitals are required by law to treat any emergent cases that walk through their doors, whether they have medicare, medicaid, private insurance, or no ability to pay whatsoever. Is that what you mean by accepting government money? And yes, religiously affiliated hospital systems are considered charitable organizations (501c3) and get certain tax benefits because of that status. That is not the equivalent of accepting government money. Talk about a strawman... "

Originally Posted by Katiana

How are you supposed to know what particular illesses or conditions you will have? People who say they don't need this, don't need that are often sadly mistaken.

I'm more than pretty darn certain that I do not want/need infertility or pregnancy coverage. Are you suggesting that people are too stupid to figure out what level of coverage they need/want? Wow, just wow.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by txtqueen

I am talking about birth control in general.
The 4 republicans talking about birth control sparked this but there is a group trying, IN MY STATE to OUTLAW birth control for everyone.

so you go from 4 republicans talking about birth control, and falsely contending that they all want to ban birth control, to talking about a group of extremists in your state that want to ban birth control.

how about you try to stop buying into the liberal talking points that have gone from people who want birth control should pay for it themselves, to the republicans are in a war against women.

I just don't want that group to take away my rights to birth control, which is covered under my insurance through my job.

i dont want anyone to take away your ability to get birth control either, i just think that since you are using it ONLY to prevent pregnancy that you pay for it yourself, and not have your insurance company pay for it.

Originally Posted by txtqueen

They still scare me, this is the third time they have tried this in my state.
I didn't even know they tried in 2010 until tonight. I need to keep up more with their involvement so their attempts can be thwarted each and every time.

then work to prevent this group from getting their petition on the ballot. write to your state representatives and tell them you dont want birth control banned in your state. and if somehow this group manages to get their initiative on the ballot, and it passes into law, then sue the state to prevent the law from going into effect.

What they are trying to do would violate my right to freedom to religion and my beliefs.

wait, you are an avowed atheist and you are claiming that what some extremist group is doing would violate your freedom of religion? what kind of bravo sierra is that? you HAVE NO religion by YOUR OWN ADMISSION.