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Old 10-17-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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BS. I voted for Obama in 2008 and was among his biggest supporters on this board.

It's now obvious to me he lied during his campaign..as he has continued many of Bush's policies. There's been no "hope and change" ..more like "bait and switch"..

Obama is a warmonger and a drug warrior. Next year, I won't be making the same mistake I made in 2008..
Obama took all the worst things about Bush that we did not like and made them his own. If you were mad at Bush for illegal wars, abuse of power, cronyism, increasing the national debt, spying on the American people, expanding the power government has over our lives and huge new federal programs that do nothing but put the nation deeper into debt... ect....etc...etc... then 0bama must be driving you batty.

Not only has 0bama done all these things, but it means that there is zero chance of a democrat being president next time, and the senate and house will be dominated by republicans. These last three years have been horrible, no one will vote to get four more years of this crap.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: North America
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Blame where blame is due. I'm actually blaming GOP policies, that no matter how many times they are tried, they fail.

The GOP tax-cuts were a failure. Deregulation was a failure. Yet, the GOP sticks with tax-cuts and deregulation as the centerpiece of their economic policies.

Now, that we're in an economic crisis, the GOP orthodoxy is against using monetary policy and fiscal policy to help get out of the crisis. The should have elected Christine O'Donnell, who at least could have tried witchcraft.

I seem to have missed all the Tea Bagger demonstrations during the Bush years.
You make it sound like Obama took the oath of office yesterday.

He has had nearly three years to just START to fix the problems but his liberal, unproven economic policies have made things FAR worse.

I mean he can't even START to fix problems.

His idea to get out of a debt crisis by piling on trillions more in debt?..BRILLIANT!!
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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Only thing I'm admitting to is I'm disappointed in BOTH parties. I'm glad we are not required to vote.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yes, we were wrong. We should have nominated Hillary
Hillary is also a Rubinite. We still would have had the Goldman Sachs problem.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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LOL! Have you forgotten "The fundamentals of our economy are sound?"
People in glass houses....


During the fall campaign, Obama relentlessly criticized his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, for declaring, "The fundamentals of our economy are strong." Obama's team painted the veteran senator as out of touch and failing to grasp the challenges facing the country.

But on Sunday, that optimistic message came from economic adviser Christina Romer. When asked during an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" if the fundamentals of the economy were sound, she replied: "Of course they are sound."

"The fundamentals are sound in the sense that the American workers are sound, we have a good capital stock, we have good technology," she said. "We know that — that temporarily we're in a mess, right? We've seen huge job loss, we've seen very large falls in GDP. So certainly in the short run we're in a — in a bad situation."

"If we are keeping focused on all the fundamentally sound aspects of our economy, all the outstanding companies, workers, all the innovation and dynamism in this economy, then we're going to get through this," Obama said, striking a tone that his top aides mimicked.


Obama Aide on Economy: "Fundamentals Are Sound" | NBC Los Angeles
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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My inclination would have been McCain. By election day, anybody who was paying attention knew we were well into 7 years of famine. I think he knew there would by no winner for the next 4 years and threw the election by picking Sarah Palin.
No one at my house was cheering on Hillary or Obama. I'll never forgive her for going on 60 Minutes and vetting Bill for the nation. She knew at the time that SOB could not keep his pants zipped. The mess that ensued caused the rancor we have now.
I agree with Emma Goldman's quote, "if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal". Goldman Sachs owns this country. It does not matter who we vote for.
I will vote Ron Paul one more time in the primary. The Republican field is so weak that it looks to me like they are throwing the election again. Who cares who the POTUS is, they want Congress.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Excuse me. Are you rewriting history, suggesting that the economic slump started under Obama? The fall began in 2008, long before Obama was elected.

If you are blaming Obama for not solving the crisis, please remind yourself that the GOP has been actively blocking every Obama initiative that could reverse the course.

The GOP also offers no proposals except the tired proposals they always offer, lower taxes and reduce regulations, which have nothing to do with the recession.

Recent events were a devastating refutation of the free-market orthodoxy that has ruled American politics these past three decades. Above all, the long crusade against financial regulation, the successful effort to unravel the prudential rules established after the Great Depression on the grounds that they were unnecessary, ended up demonstrating, at immense cost to the nation, that those rules were necessary, after all. But, the GOP moves along and ignores reality.
This would be like when Bush was elected and the economy and stock market started to tank when Clinton was in office. But in a different twist of history, Bush's bad policies turned the economy into a 9% unemployment and economic fiasco... and the Bush sycophants just blamed it all on Clinton.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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LMFAO,


Because it was still a better choice than McCain/Palin administration.
1 McCain and Palin isnt running again and I believe the question was do you feel you made a mistake voting for Obama. That doesnt mean you'd have to support McCain. You could have supported Hillary instead. There was other choices but democrats picked Obama over Hillary. There alone could be an admitted mistake
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Yes, we were wrong. We should have nominated Hillary, who I think wouldn't have been as conciliatory to the GOP.
0bama met once with the Republican leadership in Feb '09, and then refused to meet with them again until Nov '09. It's been the most partisan presidential administration and congress in as long as I can remember... 0bama has been anything but "conciliatory".

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It's really funny how the GOP calls Obama a Socialist, while Obama has mainly continued Bush policies and conceded to the GOP's positions.
0bama only kept the worst of the Bush policies; if it was a big government policy, or one that gave increased power to the president, or could be use it to help buy votes, then 0bama kept it.
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:59 AM
 
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1 McCain and Palin isnt running again and I believe the question was do you feel you made a mistake voting for Obama. That doesnt mean you'd have to support McCain. You could have supported Hillary instead. There was other choices but democrats picked Obama over Hillary. There alone could be an admitted mistake
I voted for Obama in the general election, because I had to, but was frankly shocked when he won the nom. You can thank Howard Dean for that. Obama was engineered. Hillary losing Michigan should've made that loud and clear.

Yes, if things went the way I wanted, a Clinton would be in the White House now, and probably until 2016. Although Bill was partly responsible for the mortgage meltdown by aggressively pushing fannie and freddie to give loans to low-income folks who never had any business buying a home.

Home ownership is not a right, and I think the Clintons know that now.
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