What is MORE criminal? (unemployed, Congress, Iraq, salaries)
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I've been broke before. The wondering how-I-was-going-to-eat and where-I'm-going-to-sleep kind of broke. Homeless, basically. I didn't commit any crimes because of it, and I never even considered suicide.
Stop making excuses for people. Poverty doesn't cause suicide any more than pencils cause poor penmanship.
You really believe that Poverty doesn't cause suicides..... hey i have a bridge to sell to you.
Many who find themselves in poverty, often through no fault of their own indeed do commit suicide or do many things that they would have never done when they had a job or could afford to pay their bills or take care of their families but of course this doesn't happen in some peoples minds... must be the.............
"Let them eat cake" syndrome.......
The whole point of this thread was NOT about how we should NOT give criminals health care but as to why we Should give law abiding Citizens decent health care.
As usual by some on here the whole point is side stepped with a tirade of comments about stopping health care to Criminals instead of focusing on what we Could DO to make health care a issue that doesn't lead to more acts as done by the guy in this article. Why is nearly everything here in the USA today about what can't be done instead of what should be done. If this attitude had been in the USA after WW2..... America would never have become the Country it once was..... The envy of the World and a Country where All Americans cared about their fellow Americans......... Not Any More!
The whole point of this thread was NOT about how we should NOT give criminals health care but as to why we Should give law abiding Citizens decent health care.
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he can have all the health care he wants.....just open up the yellow pages and look under physicians
you want the care(service).......pay the darn bill.....otherwise dont ask me to pay YOUR bill
You really believe that Poverty doesn't cause suicides..... hey i have a bridge to sell to you.
Since you bought it in the first place..... I think we all know what that means.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
Many who find themselves in poverty, often through no fault of their own indeed do commit suicide
And?
Find me one death certificate that lists "poverty" as the cause of death. Just one. You can't, because it's not possible. You can't die of poverty, and poverty doesn't "cause" one to commit suicide. Mental instability does. There is no other reason that a healthy person would intentionally take their own life.
I have a couple of anecdotes that might help to illustrate my point... (gotta love them anecdotes!)
Anecdote 1: There's a homeless guy - Wayne - that lives just outside my office building. Most of the time, he doesn't have a nickle to his name. He does odd jobs here and there to earn a little cash to eat and support his beer habit, but he's completely destitute. No job, no health care (except for the ibuprofen I give him occasionally), no money - nothing. He even lost his shopping cart when the cops arrested him (for being in possession of a stolen shopping cart) and tossed him in jail for a month. Why hasn't he committed suicide? I'll tell you why - because despite how straight-up nuts the guy is, and how badly the alcohol has screwed up his body and brain, he's just not wired that way. It's not in him to do it.
Anecdote 2: I met the most intelligent guy I've ever known in an electronics class we were both taking when we were in our teens, and in a matter of weeks, we had become best friends. This guy was absolutely brilliant - at 18, he built the largest Tesla coil in California (at the time) for a major theme park in Southern California. He beat out the major engineering firms for the job and undercut them by 2/3 not because he needed the money, but because he wanted to build it, and he wanted someone else to pay for it. It was the challenge that interested him. This guy could have done anything he wanted to do with his life. By the time he was 20, he had more information in his head than most people two or even three times his age did. Complete f/ing genius. At 24, he stuck a .38 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. It was (and still is) tragic, but nobody - not his friends, not his family, not his doctors, nobody - was surprised. Despite everybody's best efforts to keep him on the right track and in a positive state of mind, we all knew that it was pretty much inevitable that he'd end up dying by his own hand. He was just wired that way, and no amount of therapy (of any kind) could change that.
You either have it in you to commit suicide or you don't. If you do, then there's something wrong with you, plain and simple. Despite our intelligence, we're still just animals, and animals fight for survival. They don't stick guns in their mouths when the going gets tough. Those that would just aren't built right. I loved my friend very much, and it crushed me when he took his life, but I could have told you then, just as I'm telling you now, he simply wasn't built right. Nobody that is would take their own life.
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my last supervisor, spent his last 5 years being homeless, with a full time GOVERNMENT job..he slept in the shop, used the breakroom for meals and used the lockerroom showers......why... because he was 5 years away from his 55/30 and was putting nearly 100% into his TSP(401k) and didnt want to WASTE money with rent/mortgage and utilities etc..he is now retired in Boca
The whole point of this thread was NOT about how we should NOT give criminals health care but as to why we Should give law abiding Citizens decent health care.
As usual by some on here the whole point is side stepped with a tirade of comments about stopping health care to Criminals instead of focusing on what we Could DO to make health care a issue that doesn't lead to more acts as done by the guy in this article. Why is nearly everything here in the USA today about what can't be done instead of what should be done. If this attitude had been in the USA after WW2..... America would never have become the Country it once was..... The envy of the World and a Country where All Americans cared about their fellow Americans......... Not Any More!
You are correct. I fully support taxpayer funded socialized health care. Now, the conservatives and strict Constitutionalists will decry this as not allowed or encouraged under the Constitution, that it's not the domain of the federal government. Here's my response: the Constitution was a great beginning and the country can be whatever its people want it to be. If people want socialized medicine, and the majority actually do, then let's do it.
Now some argued that we shouldn't be giving such good health care to prisoners. That is the exact opposite of a solution. The need to go that route is what needs to be eliminated. Prison should not be more appealing than what can be achieved by the average person not because it is a place for punishment (which it should not be if we can ever claim to hold Christian values as a nation) but because it is a place where one isn't free. To sacrifice your freedom to get to see a doctor is a horrible predicament to be in and begs for a solution. Single payer health care is the only option. All other options are a clear signal this country has jumped the shark.
Seeing a man in 2011 America pretend to rob a Bank so that he would be arrested and sent to prison becauseit is the only way that he could get treatment for a illness he had just contracted should ring bells to EVERYONE no matter what party ypou support, in America.
To realise that you will get much better health care if you are in Prison than if you are a law abiding Citizen is soooo wrong on soooo many levels.
Was it really criminal what the guy did or is it more criminal that he had to do it?
This is now just one of an increasing number of tragic stories in today's America because of greed and corruption in high places.
Anyone think this is where America should be heading??????
Why don't you and your like minded leftie friends start a fund to provide health insurance to help people without it?
BTW....I thought obama just fixed the uninsured problem?
Seeing a man in 2011 America pretend to rob a Bank so that he would be arrested and sent to prison becauseit is the only way that he could get treatment for a illness he had just contracted should ring bells to EVERYONE no matter what party ypou support, in America.
To realise that you will get much better health care if you are in Prison than if you are a law abiding Citizen is soooo wrong on soooo many levels.
Was it really criminal what the guy did or is it more criminal that he had to do it?
This is now just one of an increasing number of tragic stories in today's America because of greed and corruption in high places.
Anyone think this is where America should be heading??????
Is there a news article that goes along with this claim?
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