What is MORE criminal? (Obama, solution, crimes, insurance)
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Seeing a man in 2011 America pretend to rob a Bank so that he would be arrested and sent to prison becauseit is the only way that he could get treatment for a illness he had just contracted should ring bells to EVERYONE no matter what party ypou support, in America.
To realise that you will get much better health care if you are in Prison than if you are a law abiding Citizen is soooo wrong on soooo many levels.
Was it really criminal what the guy did or is it more criminal that he had to do it?
This is now just one of an increasing number of tragic stories in today's America because of greed and corruption in high places.
Anyone think this is where America should be heading??????
what we should do is hang bank robbers...put him out of our misery
or instaed of hanging..may be cut off his hand..you steal accept the punishment
this post is the problem with the entitlement mentality that has been carefully nurtured for decades in this country. we think that just because america is so successful that we should be able to provide for everyone, and that is just not the case. at some point in time all this spending is unsustainable and will only result in the bankruptcy of this country. remember the soviet union? well thats all you can do because they went BANKRUPT because of all the social spending they did, and because of the lack of incentive for people to make a better life for themselves. we are on that road right now, and we need to get off it and get back on the road to prosperity.
Come on, man, it's way too much to ask of liberals to learn from history and the experience of every society that has tried socialism. Be nice, now.
He's an idiot and a criminal. No amount of emotion poured into the argument changes that simple fact. If he wants health care SERVICES rendered, he should pay for that SERVICE, just like everyone else. If his situation wasn't emergent (in which case he'd have been treated regardless of ability to pay), and he didn't have the money to pay for his treatment, then he would have to go without. It sounds rough, I know, but nobody ever claimed that life was easy or that you'd get everything you need to survive for free.
Oh, and before anyone jumps in with the "you'd feel different if you didn't have that cushy employer-provided health insurance plan!" crap, I'm self employed and don't have any health insurance. I pay cash for my doctor visits and prescriptions. Preventative care and basic illnesses really aren't that expensive, folks. When something expensive pops up (and it has), we deal with it how we can. Most recently, it meant some dietary changes and making payments to the hospital for the treatment received.
I'm one of the people that so many people are "fighting for" and I DON'T WANT YOUR HELP. Stop acting like you're trying to do me and millions like me a favor - you're not. You're trying to punish those who make good money simply for having more than you, and it's pretty transparent. Health care is NOT a right - it's a professional service, and like any professional service, you have to PAY for it.
Originally Posted by Calvinist
I think it's criminal that we give our criminals that good of health care.
My god how absolutely heartless and subhuman of you. Go directly to jail, do not cross Go, do not collect $200.
In fact, it is your attitude toward your fellow man that is the biggest crime anyone could commit. C'mon, think up something worse than wishing harm on others. It isn't possible.
Seeing a man in 2011 America pretend to rob a Bank so that he would be arrested and sent to prison becauseit is the only way that he could get treatment for a illness he had just contracted should ring bells to EVERYONE no matter what party ypou support, in America.
To realise that you will get much better health care if you are in Prison than if you are a law abiding Citizen is soooo wrong on soooo many levels.
Was it really criminal what the guy did or is it more criminal that he had to do it?
This is now just one of an increasing number of tragic stories in today's America because of greed and corruption in high places.
Anyone think this is where America should be heading??????
So, you believe that if one person does a crazy thing, that is a reflection on the total populous?
Seeing a man in 2011 America pretend to rob a Bank so that he would be arrested and sent to prison becauseit is the only way that he could get treatment for a illness he had just contracted should ring bells to EVERYONE no matter what party ypou support, in America.
To realise that you will get much better health care if you are in Prison than if you are a law abiding Citizen is soooo wrong on soooo many levels.
Was it really criminal what the guy did or is it more criminal that he had to do it?
This is now just one of an increasing number of tragic stories in today's America because of greed and corruption in high places.
Anyone think this is where America should be heading??????
You will get "better" medical treatment in prison? Uhhh, yeah... sure you will. Perhaps you are not aware just how arbitrarily restrictive and often negligent prison care can often be.
For every story you may read about how great the prison medical care supposedly is (e.g. prisoners demanding and suing for their "human right" to sex changes, as well as demands for cosmetic type procedures), there are likely even more cases where quite the contrary is the case, indicating that inadequate care is more likely the norm than generous care, and some of these cases have made their way through the courts.
A few of the more notable legal cases have involved borderline criminal negligence. Though in most of the legal cases I am familiar with, the courts have largely seen fit to almost always find a way (using the most tortured and lame excuses that look like it came out of the mouth of a 9 year old rather than a Judge) to legally absolve Corrections Officers of culpability, even in the cases where it was a well known and uncontested fact that a specific prisoner was in dire need of a specific type of medication for a documented life threatening condition which the prisoner was actually taking medication for... but then the CO took it upon himself for completely unexplainable reasons to unilaterally decided... "yeah, screw it... the prisoner does not need to go see the prison doctor for this... maybe tomorrow"... despite seeing the prisoner quite literally dying of this well documented, life-threatening legal condition, right in front of his very eyes [and then the prisoner died]. This has happened numerous times (both where the prisoner died, as well as where they almost died) and was the subject of subsequent cases for wrongful death and other civil right type claims.
Note: Yes, I realize the premise of the thread is not about prison care per se', but about health care for those not in prison, nonetheless, when the analogy is being broached which connects the two which posits the thesis that people in prison get good health care, and so people outside should at least be afforded the same thing, it becomes germane to mention that prison care really is not as great as is often portrayed. Hence, I don't think you really want to make such a strong connection which implies people 'outside' should be, at a minimum, getting what they are getting what they get 'inside,' because what they get inside ain't always all that good.
Last edited by FreedomThroughAnarchism; 08-29-2011 at 04:45 PM..
ONE person having to do crazy things...are you joking????????
POVERTY CAUSES SUICIDE. - Front Page - NYTimes.com
No it doesn't. Mental instability does.
I've been broke before. The wondering how-I-was-going-to-eat and where-I'm-going-to-sleep kind of broke. Homeless, basically. I didn't commit any crimes because of it, and I never even considered suicide.
Stop making excuses for people. Poverty doesn't cause suicide any more than pencils cause poor penmanship.
Verone, unfortunately, caught a bad break. Instead of getting what he desired -- a bank robbery charge that would get him about three years in jail, followed a Florida condo when he's freed (via Social Security payments), he was only slapped with "larceny from a person," which carries a much shorter prison term.
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