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I don't know about that- there are still plenty of far-reaching requirements of the program, like not being able to exclude pre-existing conditions, that seem like they'll still be in place based on that ruling. I wasn't a big fan of requiring people to buy insurance anyway, but on the flip side, if you don't have insurance, don't expect to get treated- beyond stabilizing a life-threatening injury- if you can't afford to pay.
As the GOP tried to convince the dems to scale back the monstrosity and go for incremental steps....some aspects of obamacare could be made to work.
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Originally Posted by JPD
"Well, without the mandate, the whole shebang FALLS APART."
Actually, that's exactly what the opinion says will NOT happen.
Yeah, how are they going to pay for it if the people aren't forced to buy insurance? That was the whole point of the mandate - to FUND the law.
But then, you folks were cheering that "Obamacare" had been "defeated" back in 2010, when a Virginia court found the mandate unconstitutional.
It's going to take the Supreme Court to decide before you should break out the champagne.
I like our chances...in a presidential election year, highlighting the fact the law has been deemed unconstitutional.
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas
Once the mandatory provision is removed it will go forward, like it or not. I said this would happen even before it was passed.
Casper
Where will the funding come from?
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Originally Posted by SourD
Oh yeah, he's so intelligent he passed an unconstitutional law. That makes all the sense I needed to know.
I can't wait for the dems/obama to make that argument in 2012.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt someone hand Pelosi the bill, already written, to push through? She didnt even know what was in the bill herself.
The Senate bill, passed on Xmas exe was sent to the House unchanged and passed. Both chambers also passed the reconciliation portion of the bill separately.
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Originally Posted by mufc1878
as a more liberal person, obamacare is a disaster. It's put back comprehensive health care for all back another 100 years. Poorly thought out, poorly executed.
Shoved down the American people's throats, against the will of the people. Those who did that will pay at the ballot box, just as they did in 2010.
Really, I just love how you cherry pick one poll - the rest say repeal it. I can pretty much guarantee you, once the candidates start pummeling him again on obamacare, start pointing out all the nasty little details we have found out in the law, even more will want repeal.
Also, there was precedent with the health care law attempt. Car insurance is mandatory. Why not health insurance also?
Car insurance isn't a precedent. If Congress passed that it would be ruled unconstitutional also. The constitution says nothing about prohibiting such laws, it just doesn't grant that power to Congress. States are free to pass such laws, and I believe the MA health law does have a mandate. No one is arguing that it would be unconstitutional for a state to pass such a law...
Government run health care has been their dream for a hundred years. It's turning into a nightmare for the rest of us though.
Which is why I dont get their lack of pushing for government run hospitals. You could easily bypass the "insurance" industry by simply building hospitals and claim they are for the general welfare, just like police departments.
Um, the Dems didn't want the individual mandate - they wanted a universal, single payer system or at least a robust public option. They were forced to compromise and include the Republican individual mandate.
History lesson for the day: The individual mandate was first proposed in congress in 1993 by these senators:
(No Longer in the Senate)
Jesse Helms (R)
Bob Dole (R)
Strom Thurmond (R)
Trent Lott (R)
Larry Craig (R)
Ted Stevens (R)
Frank Murkowski (R)
Alan Simpson (R)
Bob Bennett (R)
Hank Brown (R)
Lauch Faircloth (R)
Paul Coverdell (R)
Conrad Burns (R)
Judd Gregg (R)
Dirk Kempthorne (R)
Connie Mack (R)
Bob Smith (R)
Malcolm Wallop (R)
(Still In the Senate)
Orrin Hatch (R)
Charles Grassley (R)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (R)
Daniel Coats (R)
Thad Cochran (R)
Richard Lugar (R)
The american public didnt like the individual mandate proposal in 1993, and they didnt like it today. The GOP had NOTHING to do with this bill. They put in the individual mandate in order to get middle of the road Democrats to vote yes. Cant blame this one on the GOP, but you'll try non stop. Only surprise is that you didnt blame Bush as always.
I sure hope the courts settle this soon.I dont know weather to schedule my dentist appointments or put the money aside for my fines.as with all obama policys you can only guess and hope.guess I'll sit on the money and hope for the best.
The american public didnt like the individual mandate proposal in 1993, and they didnt like it today. The GOP had NOTHING to do with this bill. They put in the individual mandate in order to get middle of the road Democrats to vote yes. Cant blame this one on the GOP, but you'll try non stop. Only surprise is that you didnt blame Bush as always.
The GOP had absolutely nothing to do with the bill in 1993 either. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, and who can forget the HillaryCare fiasco?
I still find it amazing that under Obamacare, it will be against the law for me to continue my high deductible health care plan and pay out of pocket for routine care--and this huge imposition could still be ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court.
Did our ancestors stake their lives and sacred honor to found this country so that 235 years later, some *sshole could tell me how to pay for my health care? I don't think so.
And to think he was, and I said WAS a constitutional lawyer.
Backs up what I have said all along, he went to school not to learn and follow our constitution, he went to learn how to destroy it.
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