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Obamacare was doomed from the start, but not because it went too far. On the contrary, it didn't go far enough. We need government-run, single-payer universal healthcare, just like in Canada, the UK, Sweden and pretty much every other developed country on earth. Private health insurance should not exist at all -- healthcare should NOT be a for-profit industry. Hopefully the failure of this bill will lead to real change and true universal healthcare here in America.
The court disagrees, and substitutes can be found for the mandate.
Wishful thinking, but no cigar.
What would be a substitute for the mandate? If you can't force the healthy people to pick up the tab for the unhealthy ones, how do you get them to do it voluntarily?
Obamacare was doomed from the start, but not because it went too far. On the contrary, it didn't go far enough. We need government-run, single-payer universal healthcare, just like in Canada...
Canadians come to the US for health care. Where would Americans (and Canadians) go if the US did that?
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.. the UK, Sweden and pretty much every other developed country on earth.
Every other developed country on Earth?
You mean like Romania? Bucharesti has 3 Million people but only 3 hospitals.
I'm currently in Cincinnati and we have 19 hospitals for 3 Million, if you count the 11-county Metropolitan Statistical Area.
So, you're going to start closing hospitals? Really?
Paris and Berlin have 3 Million people, but Paris only has 6 hospitals, and Berlin only 3 hospitals.
Again, I ask, are you going to start closing hospitals?
You keep saying you want an health care system like Europe and the rest of the world, then you need to abandon the Hospital Model that the US uses and switch to the Clinic Model that the rest of the world uses.
That means you'll have to close hospitals.
Again, I ask, are you going to start closing hospitals?
Given that the AHA (American Hospital Association) wrote most of Obamacare and given that they banned/barred/prohibited/outlawed doctor-owned clinics, just like Europe uses, how exactly do you plan to thwart the goals of the AHA?
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Private health insurance should not exist at all --
Of course it should. If there is a demand for it, then it should exist. That is what your Free Market Economic System says, and it wouldn't matter if you were Capitalist, Socialist, or Communist, if you're using the Free Market System, and there is a demand for private insurance, then it should exist.
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healthcare should NOT be a for-profit industry.
Then how will you measure success?
Canada's health care system is a huge success. I'll prove it:
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Canadian Man Dies After 34-Hour Emergency Room Wait, Paper Says
That's you man.
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Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- A Canadian man died after spending 34 hours unattended in the emergency room of a hospital in Winnipeg, Manitoba, the Winnipeg Free Press reported (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4229686p-4870606c.html - broken link) today, citing a city health official.
The 45-year-old was dropped off at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Centre on Sept. 19 and found dead on Sept. 21, the paper reported, citing Brock Wright, the Winnipeg Regional Authority's chief medical officer.
Emergency room waiting times at some Ontario hospitals are prompting seriously ill people to walk away, sometimes with fatal results, health officials say.Dr. Sean Gartner says 11 per cent of the people who came to the emergency room at his hospital in Guelph last month ended up leaving without receiving treatment.
A few months earlier, Gartner said an elderly man who left after he became tired of waiting was later found dead.
In February, Patricia Vepari, a 21-year-old engineering student, arrived at a Kitchener hospital emergency room with a fever, sore throat and nausea.
Facing an eight-hour wait, she decided to go home, where she died of an infection.
Yeah, that's a top-notch health care system. And just think, Canada has only a paltry 30 Million people. The US has 10x that many people.
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If you are truly desperate for socialist state-run health care system either get your State to enact one, or move to a backward socialist nation and cough up 50%+ of your income to pay for it. But it has absolutely no business being part of our federal government.
Um, you mean like Taxachewshats? Yeah, their State-run health program is to die for (literally).
I'm laughing at the superior intellect. Americans want a government run health care program, and yet not one State can set up and run one without major complications and going bankrupt.
What would be a substitute for the mandate? If you can't force the healthy people to pick up the tab for the unhealthy ones, how do you get them to do it voluntarily?
Obamacare was doomed from the start, but not because it went too far. On the contrary, it didn't go far enough. We need government-run, single-payer universal healthcare, just like in Canada, the UK, Sweden and pretty much every other developed country on earth. Private health insurance should not exist at all -- healthcare should NOT be a for-profit industry. Hopefully the failure of this bill will lead to real change and true universal healthcare here in America.
When will people like you manage to explain where we get the money to pay for more people than all those you mention, in toto, have to pay for? When will you explain how you hire doctors for prices like Medicare pays for office calls.? Will we have to pay for the education of the doctors that work for the government? That should raise out debts a bunch.
I really would like to have some answers from you or any other left leaner who wishes to answer any of my questions.
Financial incentive? There's no funding in the law for that. Any incentive that made any difference would amount to subsidizing almost the full cost of coverage. Even obama knows we can't afford that.
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