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Old 08-13-2011, 07:08 AM
 
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Did someone lose sight of the fact that only this aspect of the law was declared unconstitutional, where the whole of the rest of it was upheld?
What other areas of the law are you suggesting are unconstitutional?
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Old 08-13-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Now, on to SCOTUS, just in time for the 2012 election.
It isn't automatic. They have file the paper work first, and there's no guarantee the Supreme Court will here it.

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A little early for celebrating, don't you think?

It's going to take the Supreme Court to decide before you should break out the champagne.
Prove it.

The case does not automatically go to the Supreme Court. You might want to go back and read or re-read your high school government text book.

In any event, the Supreme Court has already decided what cases it will hear this year, and it will not be hearing this case this year.

Since the case extensively quotes the Supreme Court, it is unlikely the Supreme Court will review it, even more so since the Supreme Court is not in the habit of reversing its own opinions.
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Old 08-13-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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as others have said, its not as if obamacare will be ruled unconstitutional. people need to learn how to read. obamacare will be fully implemented, the only thing that may not is the mandate to be forced to buy insurance, which shouldve been the dealio to begin with.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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For the people cheering for it being declared unconstitutional, what are you thinking? You think it is OK for taxpayers to have to pay for people who don't have insurance and can't pay? Or do you think that people who can't pay should be denied healthcare? Our current system is untenable, so what is your plan?

Its funny that there is now all this consternation over the individual mandate. That was included as a concession to conservatives who proposed it in the past. It is based in personal responsibility and the private market, rather than big government. What we really need is single payer.
What we need is a Congress and a President that actually adheres to the limitations imposed upon them by the US Constitution and their oaths of office. Which does not include health care, marriage, education, or a myriad of other powers they have illegally usurped from the States.

If you are truly desperate for socialist state-run health care system either get your State to enact one, or move to a backward socialist nation and cough up 50%+ of your income to pay for it. But it has absolutely no business being part of our federal government.

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Old 08-13-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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Even if the SC stands by the unconstitutionality of the law's mandate, the Dems will simply circumvent the law to mandate it through taxation. They could do it by allowing tax credits or deductions to those who buy in to the system.

These current batch of Dems we have in Congress have proven that when they drain swamps, they do it with a 5-gallon aquarium pump.

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Old 08-13-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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What we need is a Congress and a President that actually adhere to the limitations imposed upon them by the US Constitution and their oaths of office. Which does not include health care, marriage, education, or a myriad of other powers they have illegally usurped from the States.

If you are truly desperate for socialist state-run health care system either get your State to enact one, or move to a backward socialist nation and cough up 50%+ of your income to pay for it. But it has absolutely no business being part of our federal government.
Yes. But it's like that saying -- If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time, no matter how much slaughtering he did on the side. ~ Orson Scott Card
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Yes. But it's like that saying -- If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time, no matter how much slaughtering he did on the side. ~ Orson Scott Card
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

Source: Alexis de Tocqueville, "Democracy in America" (1835)
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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Dr. Seuss for 2011:

I do not like this Uncle Sam, I do not like his health care scam. I do not like these dirty crooks, or how they lie & cook the books. I do not like when Congress steals, I do not like their secret deals. I do not like ex-speaker Nan, I do not like this 'YES WE CAN'. I do not like this spending spree, I'm smart, I know that nothing's free. I do not like their smug replies, when I complain about their lies. I do not like this kind of hope. I do not like it. Nope, nope, nope.
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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The case does not automatically go to the Supreme Court. You might want to go back and read or re-read your high school government text book.

In any event, the Supreme Court has already decided what cases it will hear this year, and it will not be hearing this case this year.

Since the case extensively quotes the Supreme Court, it is unlikely the Supreme Court will review it, even more so since the Supreme Court is not in the habit of reversing its own opinions.
It may take a while, but I'd be shocked if the Supreme Court doesn't take on this case. So far, we've had two appeal courts rule on the individual mandate - one said it was fine, and the other said it was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court often (or maybe always?) takes on such a case, given the conflicting decisions by lower courts.

Of possible interest (written prior to the most recent Court of Appeals decision): Affordable Care Act predictions : SCOTUSblog
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:49 PM
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It may take a while, but I'd be shocked if the Supreme Court doesn't take on this case. So far, we've had two appeal courts rule on the individual mandate - one said it was fine, and the other said it was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court often (or maybe always?) takes on such a case, given the conflicting decisions by lower courts.

Of possible interest (written prior to the most recent Court of Appeals decision): Affordable Care Act predictions : SCOTUSblog
What happens if they don't take it? They can't let both rulings stand can they?
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