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Old 06-03-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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I'm going to part ways with my conservative friends on this issue as well -- as a nurse who has observed a lot of needless suffering, I support Jack Kevorkian and his efforts to bring relief to those who faced the kind of pain most of us cannot even imagine.

I'm sorry that he was villified and called a murderer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even if a search of your conscience brings you to the conclusion that assisted suicide is unethical, there is no need to assume that Dr. Kevorkian's motives were anything but compassionate.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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That is the ultimate selfish statement. "I need you to suffer longer so I can be blessed."

I certainly never said that. I said it was up to God to decide--not me, you, or anyone.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: west mich
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I didn't miss the point at all. The point is a controlled and humane end of life with the least amount of emotional trauma to those left behind. Shooting oneself or taking an overdose of who knows what is not what we should be expecting those with terminal illness to have to resort to.
What a disgusting statement. I find it hard to believe you have watched a loved one endure a long and painful illness. The last thing on one's mind is your own suffering, but first and foremost is reducing theirs.
I had a sister in home hospice for months - a virtual vegetable until her death, yet needing constant attention. What was God teaching us? I haven't gotten the message yet whatever it is.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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the same can be applied to those against Kevorkian.
But nothing is stopping you from offing yourself,you are free to do so,as long as you successful at it....there is no need for a law either way.

No need for 'assisted suicide' and no need for a law banning suicide...
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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I certainly never said that. I said it was up to God to decide--not me, you, or anyone.
Small wonder that god has a reputation as a cruel, sadistic tyrant.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I'm going to part ways with my conservative friends on this issue as well -- as a nurse who has observed a lot of needless suffering, I support Jack Kevorkian and his efforts to bring relief to those who faced the kind of pain most of us cannot even imagine.

I'm sorry that he was villified and called a murderer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even if a search of your conscience brings you to the conclusion that assisted suicide is unethical, there is no need to assume that Dr. Kevorkian's motives were anything but compassionate.
Kevorkian killed the person he was convicted of murdering,he did the actual killing unlike the rest of the times.

So he murdered someone,whether compassionate or not who cares.

People are free to off themselves,they just need to stop wanting others to do it for them.
If you want to off yourself grow a pair and do the job yourself,not want others to do the dirty work.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:17 AM
 
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assisted suicide is murder. If someone asks me to kill them and I do, I just murdered them.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Gone
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I strongly support Death with Dignity. I taped Kevorkians trials, and hope to move to Oregon, where I will have control as to how much suffering I am willing to take, before I call it quits. I cannot understand why anybody thinks there is something wrong with this. A merciful God, if there is one, would favor relieving suffering for all beings, not just animals. There is nothing courageous about making your family witness your suffering, day after day, or being forced to endure it. Some for years, dying slowly, when it can be relieved, at their request.
Yesterday, there was a special on TV, called Dying in Oregon. A woman had liver cancer, and gave permission to the program to witness her decision-making process. She didn't expect to take the route of assisted suicide, but ended up doing so, with her family by her side. Her death would have been long, drawn out, and agonizing. It was her decision, and I am so grateful she had that option available.
There are many youtubes on line available, to learn what it's like for some of those that wish to choose this route. Those that support this, are on the side of mercy and compassion.....
One man went to the media, when he was denied treatment for his cancer because he was so riddled with it, instead they offered palliative care. The officials reversed their decision, after the story broke in the news, and provided the chemo he wanted, he died 4 weeks into treatment.
In truth, doctors do not cure, they relieve symptoms, they relieve suffering, that is their expertise.
HBO documentary probes Oregon's euthanasia law | Reuters
Must be a blue moon, I agree 100% with you on the above.
Casper
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Gone
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I'm going to part ways with my conservative friends on this issue as well -- as a nurse who has observed a lot of needless suffering, I support Jack Kevorkian and his efforts to bring relief to those who faced the kind of pain most of us cannot even imagine.

I'm sorry that he was villified and called a murderer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even if a search of your conscience brings you to the conclusion that assisted suicide is unethical, there is no need to assume that Dr. Kevorkian's motives were anything but compassionate.
We rarely agree on anything but I agree with you here. Glad you stand by your convictions
Casper
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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I'm going to part ways with my conservative friends on this issue as well -- as a nurse who has observed a lot of needless suffering, I support Jack Kevorkian and his efforts to bring relief to those who faced the kind of pain most of us cannot even imagine.

I'm sorry that he was villified and called a murderer. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even if a search of your conscience brings you to the conclusion that assisted suicide is unethical, there is no need to assume that Dr. Kevorkian's motives were anything but compassionate.
When you kill someone for WHATEVER reason, it is called murder regardless of their motives. So if a man rapes a woman and he states his motive was to make her feel good, is it still considered rape?

Until a law is passed that makes assisted suicide legal, it will be correctly called murder.
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