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Well, let's see. The Hawaii state law does not allow the DOH to release the Long-Form birth certifcate without Obama’s consent.
Hawaii, doesn't allow for the release or copying of its original records PERIOD!
Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.
"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
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"So...what part of HI law allowed Fukino to access Obama's records without his permission and then comment to Michael Isikoff in an interview with the media? Is that how they operate in HI?"
When you are the director of Hawaii's Department of Health and you are asked by the governor to verify the existence of the records, I would think that would be a rather strong case for inspecting those records in your custody. As for the interview, she revealed nothing from those records other than to verify that the records did indeed exist, not close to a violation of privacy that you feverishly pretend that it is.
All the fool has to do is show people his LONG-FORM birth certificate. For the POTUS, it would take all of about 2 minutes to have it done.
All? Then why does this dumb copy and paste from an email that's been going around for years ask for, in addition,
Parents' marriage and divorce records;
Baptism certificate;
Health records;
All sorts of school records, including applications
Client lists (would you be happy if your lawyer released his/her client list b/c some nutter on a message board demanded it)
Ill state senate schedule (which makes NO sense as it is public knowledge)
and everything and anything else the birthers can come up with.
You guys have been so intellectually dishonest with this "All we want to see is a long form birth certificate stuff", no one believes you any more.
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Originally Posted by highcotton
Tens of millions of Americans do NOT think Obama was born in the U.S. and is not eligible to serve as POTUS. Obama has spent well into 7 figures keeping this information from those tens of millions of people. Why? That alone should make Obama want to prove that he is eligible. And it would be so simple for him to do. But - he won't! Why? Tens of millions of people believe they know why he won't... He should prove them wrong!!!
It is a bold faced LIE that Obama has spent millions of dollars keeping this information "sealed".
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Originally Posted by highcotton
That's true, BUT shouldn't this matter be put to bed with solid proof, which would be so easy to do. Then you, me, and all the other millions of Americans (that might have a lot of doubt, or just a tiny bit of doubt) would know for absolutely sure.
I sure hope that for the 2012 elections that solid proof of eligibility is a requirement.
And what do you think that solid proof should be?
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Originally Posted by highcotton
Nope! Not in the case of Obama. He is DIFFERENT because of his parents and his background. Aside from where he was born is the fact that Obama's parents were not U.S. citizens, which is a requirement to be POTUS. The man's POTUS eligibility questions are numerous...and his willingness to reveal even a tiny bit of his personal information, records or background is like a steel door slammed shut.
It is an outright LIE that Obama's mother was not a citizen. This is the first time I have seen this particular LIE on this forum. Is this the new fallback position? That someone born in Kansas, that most "American" of American states, home of our own roysoldboy, is not a US citizen? It is also a bold faced LIE that one's parents have to be citizens in order for one to be POTUS. There have been plenty of presidents and vice presidents whose parents were not citizens at the time of their birth. LIES, LIES, LIES. .
All? Then why does this dumb copy and paste from an email that's been going around for years ask for, in addition,
Parents' marriage and divorce records;
Baptism certificate;
Health records;
All sorts of school records, including applications
Client lists (would you be happy if your lawyer released his/her client list b/c some nutter on a message board demanded it)
Ill state senate schedule (which makes NO sense as it is public knowledge)
and everything and anything else the birthers can come up with.
You guys have been so intellectually dishonest with this "All we want to see is a long form birth certificate stuff", no one believes you any more.
It is a bold faced LIE that Obama has spent millions of dollars keeping this information "sealed".
And what do you think that solid proof should be?
It is an outright LIE that Obama's mother was not a citizen. This is the first time I have seen this particular LIE on this forum. Is this the new fallback position? That someone born in Kansas, that most "American" of American states, home of our own roysoldboy, is not a US citizen? It is also a bold faced LIE that one's parents have to be citizens in order for one to be POTUS. There have been plenty of presidents and vice presidents whose parents were not citizens at the time of their birth. LIES, LIES, LIES. .
All they have are lies and unproven theories. Every bit of real legal evidence, as well as common sense proves that Obama was born in HI, but they choose to ignore real evidence in favor of elaborate conspiracy theories involving a number of people and agencies.
His mother was a U.S citizen. He was born in Honolulu and has a state certified and verified birth certificate that proves that.
That's nowhere close to the requirements necessary to be eligible for POTUS.
If true (and it's not), then this ridiculous hypothetical scenario could happen for a POTUS:
1. Qaudaffi visits USA, meets a woman in the USA who is a US citizen, and marries her in a quick wedding
2. 9 months later Qaudaffi's wife has a son in a USA hospital
3. Qaudaffi receives a valid BC for his newborn son from a USA hospital
4. Qaudaffi and son go home to Lybia (wife stays behind)
5. 11 years later Qaudaffi's son comes to the USA and takes up 14 years residence
6. at age 35 Qaudaffi's son decides to run for President! He claims he is a US citizen!
This ridiculous scenario is why the founders HAD to include the "Natural Born Citizen" (both parents must be USA citizens) requirement. What part of this don't you understand?
all? Then why does this dumb copy and paste from an email that's been going around for years ask for, in addition,
parents' marriage and divorce records;
baptism certificate;
health records;
all sorts of school records, including applications
client lists (would you be happy if your lawyer released his/her client list b/c some nutter on a message board demanded it)
ill state senate schedule (which makes no sense as it is public knowledge)
and everything and anything else the birthers can come up with.
You guys have been so intellectually dishonest with this "all we want to see is a long form birth certificate stuff", no one believes you any more.
It is a bold faced lie that obama has spent millions of dollars keeping this information "sealed".
And what do you think that solid proof should be?
It is an outright lie that obama's mother was not a citizen. This is the first time i have seen this particular lie on this forum. Is this the new fallback position? That someone born in kansas, that most "american" of american states, home of our own roysoldboy, is not a us citizen? it is also a bold faced lie that one's parents have to be citizens in order for one to be potus. There have been plenty of presidents and vice presidents whose parents were not citizens at the time of their birth. lies, lies, lies. .
That's nowhere close to the requirements necessary to be eligible for POTUS.
If true (and it's not), then this ridiculous hypothetical scenario could happen for a POTUS:
1. Qaudaffi visits USA, meets a woman in the USA who is a US citizen, and marries her in a quick wedding
2. 9 months later Qaudaffi's wife has a son in a USA hospital
3. Qaudaffi receives a valid BC for his newborn son from a USA hospital
4. Qaudaffi and son go home to Lybia (wife stays behind)
5. 11 years later Qaudaffi's son comes to the USA and takes up 14 years residence
6. at age 35 Qaudaffi's son decides to run for President! He claims he is a US citizen!
This ridiculous scenario is why the founders HAD to include the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement. What part of this don't you understand?
Put the ouija board away for tonight. de Vattel is not speaking on it. The main reason the ffs put in that "natural born citizen" clause, so I read at one time, was to keep Alexander Hamilton, who was born in the West Indies, away from being able to run for president. So much for their vaunted "values".
That's nowhere close to the requirements necessary to be eligible for POTUS.
If true (and it's not), then this ridiculous hypothetical scenario could happen for a POTUS:
1. Qaudaffi visits USA, meets a woman in the USA who is a US citizen, and marries her in a quick wedding
2. 9 months later Qaudaffi's wife has a son in a USA hospital
3. Qaudaffi receives a valid BC for his newborn son from a USA hospital
4. Qaudaffi and son go home to Lybia (wife stays behind)
5. 11 years later Qaudaffi's son comes to the USA and takes up 14 years residence
6. at age 35 Qaudaffi's son decides to run for President! He claims he is a US citizen!
This ridiculous scenario is why the founders HAD to include the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement. What part of this don't you understand?
First off what a ridiculous comparison. Secondly no where does it state that a Natural Born Citizen means both parents need to be U.S citizens. What it means is that someone needs to be born in the U.S in order to run, and that someone who is a U.S citizen, but not born in the U.S (such as Arnold) could not become President.
All? Then why does this dumb copy and paste from an email that's been going around for years ask for, in addition,
Parents' marriage and divorce records;
Baptism certificate;
Health records;
All sorts of school records, including applications
Client lists (would you be happy if your lawyer released his/her client list b/c some nutter on a message board demanded it)
Ill state senate schedule (which makes NO sense as it is public knowledge)
and everything and anything else the birthers can come up with.
You guys have been so intellectually dishonest with this "All we want to see is a long form birth certificate stuff", no one believes you any more.
It is a bold faced LIE that Obama has spent millions of dollars keeping this information "sealed".
And what do you think that solid proof should be?
It is an outright LIE that Obama's mother was not a citizen. This is the first time I have seen this particular LIE on this forum. Is this the new fallback position? That someone born in Kansas, that most "American" of American states, home of our own roysoldboy, is not a US citizen? It is also a bold faced LIE that one's parents have to be citizens in order for one to be POTUS. There have been plenty of presidents and vice presidents whose parents were not citizens at the time of their birth. LIES, LIES, LIES. .
She said both his parents weren't U.S. citizens, just the birth mother, who was too young to pass on her citizenship at the time, and dada was from KENYA. Both parents have to be citizens to be NATURAL BORN. Birth mom couldn't get rid of the kid fast enough, so she could get back to school and pursueing her communist agenda.
BTW do you know what country has the most muslims in it? Indonesia. Do you know where Barry went to school? Indonesia, during a time when Christians were not welcome, if not outright banned. When did he turn Christian, and why aren't the Islamists a bit uptight about that? hmmmm
Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 04-11-2011 at 07:37 PM..
Reason: Please discuss the topic, not each other.
<snipped for relevance>Both parents have to be citizens to be NATURAL BORN
Nonsense....prove it.
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