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Old 06-24-2022, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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having lived in greenwich village for three years where there like a dozen bodegas and grocery stores within a five minute walk, i just don't get the appeal of living in an urban environment where you have to get in the car or use a delivery service to get food for dinner
I agree it's not NYC. But it's arguably as close as you can get in Pittsburgh.

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living in the strip district makes a lot more sense to me than living downtown
The Strip is better for groceries if you live in certain segments of it (some are quite a hike from the busy part of Penn Avenue). But it's worse for a lot of other things, including nightlife, transit access, etc.

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if living downtown is so hot then why isn't giant eagle scrambling to open a store there?
Up until recently, the residential population downtown was still a bit too low for a full-service grocery. Downtown passed 5,000 people in the last decade, so it's probably doable now (though a fair number of that total are still PPU students who have a low demand for groceries).
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Old 06-24-2022, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Oh! That sucks. Are you referring to Railroad St? Or are you going way back?
Depends on how old you are. It was on Smallman street from 15th Street until the Church 21st street. It kept people from speeding and added to the grittiness of the area. Not sure when it was paved over, maybe the 90's.
If you google Pgh Strip Smallman Street you can see what it looked like.
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Old 06-25-2022, 06:09 AM
 
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walked by the new whole foods in east liberty yesterday - got a chance to see inside, some of the doors were open

the store itself is huge - WF shoppers will like that i guess

but the parking situation is bizarre

maybe it's a pittsburgh thing - typically you have a surface lot and you have the store and when you get your groceries you leave the store and go to your car in the lot

there ain't no lot here - you park in the garage and it appears the floors of the garage are sloped in certain sections

who wants to push their shopping cart uphill?


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Old 06-25-2022, 06:49 AM
 
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walked by the new whole foods in east liberty yesterday - got a chance to see inside, some of the doors were open

the store itself is huge - WF shoppers will like that i guess

but the parking situation is bizarre

maybe it's a pittsburgh thing - typically you have a surface lot and you have the store and when you get your groceries you leave the store and go to your car in the lot

there ain't no lot here - you park in the garage and it appears the floors of the garage are sloped in certain sections

who wants to push their shopping cart?
I was in a grocery in Florida that had below ground parking. You rode a gigantic escalator that held shopping carts moving to and fro' . Their prices were high.
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:10 AM
 
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I was in a grocery in Florida that had below ground parking. You rode a gigantic escalator that held shopping carts moving to and fro' . Their prices were high.
they have that, too - saw it through the window

in pittsburgh you can't have a supermarket without at least one surface lot (downtown notwithstanding if they ever get one)

period - end of story
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Old 06-25-2022, 07:57 AM
 
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walked by the new whole foods in east liberty yesterday - got a chance to see inside, some of the doors were open

the store itself is huge - WF shoppers will like that i guess

but the parking situation is bizarre

maybe it's a pittsburgh thing - typically you have a surface lot and you have the store and when you get your groceries you leave the store and go to your car in the lot

there ain't no lot here - you park in the garage and it appears the floors of the garage are sloped in certain sections

who wants to push their shopping cart uphill?
Elevators? Newer urban shopping complexes across the US are designed with structured multi level parking.
The Giant Eagle Market District is an example as well as the Aldi on Baum Blvd. The new Target, Burlington, Five Below complex in downtown will be similar. DC, LA, Philadelphia, and NYC have similar setups. Google the Whole Foods in Harlem.
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:04 AM
 
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they have that, too - saw it through the window

in pittsburgh you can't have a supermarket without at least one surface lot (downtown notwithstanding if they ever get one)

period - end of story
Aldi on Baum Blvd. I remember naysayers complaining about the current WF shopping complex. A multi level shopping center would not work in East Liberty. Look at it now. I can’t imagine life without it.
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:05 AM
 
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I was in a grocery in Florida that had below ground parking. You rode a gigantic escalator that held shopping carts moving to and fro' . Their prices were high.
Similar to Target in East Liberty
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Old 06-25-2022, 08:32 AM
 
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Similar to Target in East Liberty
that lot is nice and flat but not well lit and good for carjacking

Four juveniles arrested in East Liberty Target carjacking

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/cr...s/202003050122

i'm telling you there's something janky about the new WF parking setup, and possibly the delivery driver setup as well

will investigate further when it opens officially which from the looks of it yesterday is at least a few months away
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Old 06-25-2022, 03:07 PM
 
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this is what threw me off with the new whole foods

in my pittsburgh mind, you need to at least drive in front of the store before you go into the garage

like that at market district and basically at aldi and target

with this farkakte building, the WF parking is in the basement, not the upper sloped parts which are for the office building, and the vehicle entrances are essentially in the back of the building if the you consider the front of the building to be where the storefront is on penn

there's no "experience" of entering something inviting if you're in your car

the whole building just turns its back on east liberty essentially

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