Prediction: City of Pittsburgh to lose much more population in the next 5 years. (Washington: job market, universities)

[Merge]

Originally Posted by erieguy

I love NYC, but certainly wouldn’t want to live there.

Lmao. Stick to what you know.

You couldn’t hack it.
There are enough homeless in NYC as it is.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Merge

Lmao. Stick to what you know.

You couldn’t hack it.
There are enough homeless in NYC as it is.

Lol. I know I like quiet, clean, not being on top of, or an arms length away from my neighbors, etc...

Much like Pittsburgh, NYC is a great place to visit, but couldn’t be paid to live there...and the homeless don’t bother me, but speaking of, wasn’t helping the homeless issue a campaign promise Peduto made?

[_Buster]

Originally Posted by dba07

They'll do what they've been doing for years, moving to Florida, North Carolina, Texas/New Mexico etc.

NYC really is an unliveable ****hole, and not even for the reasons you've citied. Unless you're filthy rich, of course.

Some will, but others will need to stay closer. and this is going to be a bigger, faster out-migration than in the past decades, so they will not necessarily have any option they want. Pgh could be a big draw for the ones who want to remain in easy driving distance because of relatives or business reasons. and believe it or not, everybody does not want to live in the south or west.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by _Buster

Some will, but others will need to stay closer. and this is going to be a bigger, faster out-migration than in the past decades, so they will not necessarily have any option they want. Pgh could be a big draw for the ones who want to remain in easy driving distance because of relatives or business reasons. and believe it or not, everybody does not want to live in the south or west.

People have often jokingly compared Pittsburgh to Portland, and in a lot of ways Pittsburgh is similar to what Portland was like a few decades ago (a historically working-class river city with a lot of underground cred). However, one of the biggest similarities is Portland is about as removed from Seattle/San Francisco as Pittsburgh is from the East Coast - far enough away a super-commute isn't possible, but close enough to not seem like a big move. And much, much cheaper.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by eschaton

People have often jokingly compared Pittsburgh to Portland, and in a lot of ways Pittsburgh is similar to what Portland was like a few decades ago (a historically working-class river city with a lot of underground cred). However, one of the biggest similarities is Portland is about as removed from Seattle/San Francisco as Pittsburgh is from the East Coast - far enough away a super-commute isn't possible, but close enough to not seem like a big move. And much, much cheaper.

So why doesn’t pittsburgh draw people from the outside and grow?

[Joe_P]

Some counties do draw more people from outside then people who leave.

Washington county consistently has net positive migration, but the overall population has been stagnant.

Why? Because the region has a unique oddity in having natural decline, more deaths than births.

That doesn't negate the need for the region to draw more people in. In fact, it highlights the need to do so, but this isn't a simple issue.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Joe_P

Some counties do draw more people from outside then people who leave.

Washington county consistently has net positive migration, but the overall population has been stagnant.

Why? Because the region has a unique oddity in having natural decline, more deaths than births.

That doesn't negate the need for the region to draw more people in. In fact, it highlights the need to do so, but this isn't a simple issue.

Jobs and/or desirability are main reasons that bring people. One of the reasons often spewed about Pittsburgh is “because it’s cheap”, but that only goes so far.

Could be wrong, but pretty sure eschanton showed a link, post, etc..., where more deaths than births is an excuse that doesn’t hold water, but if you have a link posting otherwise, it would be great to see it.

[Merge]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Much like Pittsburgh, NYC is a great place to visit, but couldn’t be paid to live there...

Yup!
That’s what I said.

[Joe_P]

I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't hold water." Natural decline is a big problem. Pittsburgh has to overcome it and that means, yes even more jobs so that the in migration is even higher so that the net population change is positive.

Domestically, the Boston metro lost 23,000 people last year, but as an international gateway city, it gain nearly that same amount and also gained significantly from natural change - more births than deaths. There are a lot of "Bostons" too.

The point being, Pittsburgh can't depend on births to grow and its international migration isn't nearly as significant as a Boston etc.

That's not a sugar coated response. That's Pittsburgh's reality.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Merge

Yup!
That’s what I said.

Yup. I’m the one that first said it, and couldn’t agree more.