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We were talking about Mexican food. You claim that blacks love Mexican food because they have Mexican friends. While that is plausible in LA, where Mexicans can be found in large numbers in every demographic category, and so might have significant interface with blacks. Not so in NYC where the vast majority of Mexicans are poorly educated low wage workers, who labor long hours and who experience difficulties even with their interactions with Caribbean Hispanics.
AAs interact with groups who they live among and the most numerous of the people who they interact with are Caribbean people, both Hispanic and non Hispanic Black. NYC is a segregated city. Indeed among the 10 most segregated in the USA, so the vast majority of blacks live segregated lives, regardless as to their ethnic origins.
So yes Writerdude most blacks live the bulk of their lives (outside of the working hours), among other blacks.
And please don't fool yourself that AAs interact with people of Irish, Italian or Chinese ancestry the same was as they do with Caribbean people.
Dude, what is this the point of this desperate rant?
Show me statistical evidence or proof that AAs interact with Caribbean people more than they do people of other races or ethnic origins or move on.
All you are going off of is your own personal experiences, and projecting them onto all Blacks in NYC!
Btw, not all Blacks in metro NYC live in Black majority neighborhoods, and even those that do may have friends or relationships with people of other races.
You conveniently ignore data that states 17% of Blacks marry non Blacks. This is a national statistic.
This is in a city where the mayor's wife is a Black woman. I think you're stuck in the past.
How do you suggest that poor people of any race achieve upward mobility? You and I both happen to agree that the "blacks should open businesses and all will be well" is silly.
Few get into top schools these days, even if they can afford it as the demand is too high. So they are left with more ordinary institutions.
Ironically the best way for poor people of any race to expand their social networks is through going to tertiary level institutions. Otherwise they are left hanging around the same folks who couldn't help them, and may actually be hurting them.
Education is no panacea, and certainly doesn't guarantee anything. But education ending at high school guarantees a life of continued poverty, because those jobs are disappearing, and the ones remaining are for machines, and Mexicans.
Upward social mobility is just not going to happen for a big chunk of the poor population unless one is exceptionally talented and goes to a top school (maybe).
The best that can be done for majority of poor people is to actually do what the conservatives and yourself don't want to do. Allow unions to fight to improve the conditions of poor people, fight CEOs and conservatives in state governments that eliminate positions where possible (cost cutting obviously hurts people at the bottom). If this stuff isn't done the vast majority of people who are poor now will remain as poor as ever.
Btw, as those public sector jobs have been cut, public universities have not been spared funding cuts. You've tuition increases and programs and departments eliminated at public universities. Poor people also often attempt to work long hours while they are college students, and this substantially reduces the graduation rate. Cuts in public funds (including to education, and including to financial aid) obviously make it that less likely that poor people of any race will have any social mobility.
Oh, those administrative positions that you mentioned employed a lot of Black women. Where possible they eliminated full time workers and replaced them with temps, regardless of education. So those workers now work as temps. Unstable employment with no benefits.
"African-Americans make up 11 percent of the overall workforce but more than 20 percent of temp workers. Willie Pearson, who is African-American, has been a full-time worker at BMW's South Carolina plant for 14 years. But since at least 2005, he said, he hasn't seen anyone who’s “been hired straight on. It’s all been through temporary agencies.” The company says “after six months they can hire them,” he said, “but I’d say it’s only one out of five” who actually lands a full-time job."
How do think working in the private sector works for these Blacks? And obviously temps are not limited to manual labor but extend to corporate jobs. Latinos find themselves in that boat as well.
"Latinos make up about 20 percent of all temp workers. In many temp towns, agencies have flocked to neighborhoods full of undocumented immigrants, finding labor that is kept cheap in part by these workers’ legal vulnerability: They cannot complain without risking deportation."
The gains made in NY by blacks via the public sector were because these were union jobs that were willing to hire them and they applied for these jobs because they had union protections and union benefits. But you're against this and hate even the mention of this.
So I'll say this point Black, without things such as unions and other "leftist" solutions you hate, there is absolutely no hope for the advancement
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The system of capitalism also needs a permanent underclass to thrive. It is man-made political and economic institutions that underlie economic success or failure. A clear example of this would be the two Koreas, north and south. North Koreans are among the poorest on Earth, while the South are among the richest.
South Korea is capitalist and North Korea is communist.
Temp agencies lobbied very hard to convince the government to rewrite laws concerning employment agencies to allow temps. So throughout the decades the temp sector expanded at the expense of middle class and working class people!
And temp agencies fill a very big gap. Especially in times of elevated business uncertainty, like today and yesterday. Eliminating the ability to use temps will make that business decision that much easier.
Temp agencies lobbied very hard to convince the government to rewrite laws concerning employment agencies to allow temps. So throughout the decades the temp sector expanded at the expense of middle class and working class people!
This is true. Temp agencies and their affiliates get away with alot with temp workers.
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Originally Posted by G-Dale
@ nywriterdude - You obviously never managed anything but your own opinions.
This is also true. The system won't let me rep you again.
And temp agencies fill a very big gap. Especially in times of elevated business uncertainty, like today and yesterday. Eliminating the ability to use temps will make that business decision that much easier.
So if temping is so great, quit whatever you're doing and temp indefinitely G-Dale. Do that for the rest of your life since it's so wonderful, G-Dale.
This whole union talk is a non-factor. It would quickly be offset against. Unless your talking about unions that can manage.
Unions have been huge factors in utilities (they are unionized), public sector (they are unionized), film industry (it is unionized) and even parts of retail are unionized.
I know people here like to parrot right wing ideology, but those parroting that ironically generally don't have union benefits like PENSIONS or good health insurance.
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