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I'm honestly not sure where adapting a show from such iconic material, particularly when retaining some aspect of the original, such as last name, would fall on the scale of appropriation, etc., but it seems to me that if casting non-Americans in an American product is worthy of scorn, this should at least fall somewhere on the scale.
Appropriation isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it is often a good thing. It's been going on for decades in film and for centuries in culture. Kurosawa's SEVEN SAMURAI has been re-made and re-cultured more times than I can remember, from Old West gunfighters to CGI bugs.
Shakespeare "appropriated" some of his best plays from other culture's histories, mythologies, etc.
The Romans "appropriated" from the Etruscans and Greeks. The Greeks "appropriated" from the Persians. The Persians "appropriated" from the Indians. Ad infinitum.
Just give credit where credit is due and keep the good stuff coming.
Appropriation isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it is often a good thing. It's been going on for decades in film and for centuries in culture. Kurosawa's SEVEN SAMURAI has been re-made and re-cultured more times than I can remember, from Old West gunfighters to CGI bugs.
Shakespeare "appropriated" some of his best plays from other culture's histories, mythologies, etc.
The Romans "appropriated" from the Etruscans and Greeks. The Greeks "appropriated" from the Persians. The Persians "appropriated" from the Indians. Ad infinitum.
Just give credit where credit is due and keep the good stuff coming.
Again, I agree and I see the hiring of non-American actors to play so-called traditional American icons in much the same light.
My consideration of appropriation was just me musing over how true the OP and others feel one must/should remain to source material.
Your points definitely complicate such binary choices considerably.
While I agree with this, it wasn't the point I was responding to. That poster and a couple of others seem to believe that country-specific material, particularly material that is considered "iconic" should only be performed by actors from said country.
I'm honestly not sure where adapting a show from such iconic material, particularly when retaining some aspect of the original, such as last name, would fall on the scale of appropriation, etc., but it seems to me that if casting non-Americans in an American product is worthy of scorn, this should at least fall somewhere on the scale.
No we are saying that American movies like Star Wars, Wonder Women, MLK etc should have American actors playing their roles. Thats like a movie about Winston Churchill being acted by someone from Israel. People would be outraged.
Do foreigners even know about or read American comics?
No we are saying that American movies like Star Wars, Wonder Women, MLK etc should have American actors playing their roles.
How is STAR WARS an American movie? It is set in a galaxy far, far away. It is filmed largely in England, Ireland, North Africa, etc. It is American only in the sense that it is produced by an American company.
Wonder Woman is an Amazon. Not American.
MLK definiteley an American, but I would have zero problem with a non-American portraying him, as long as he was a good actor.
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Thats like a movie about Winston Churchill being acted by someone from Israel. People would be outraged.
Nope.
Here is American John Lithgow portraying Churchill in the critically acclaimed and audience hit THE CROWN:
How is STAR WARS an American movie? It is set in a galaxy far, far away. It is filmed largely in England, Ireland, North Africa, etc. It is American only in the sense that it is produced by an American company.
Wonder Woman is an Amazon. Not American.
MLK definiteley an American, but I would have zero problem with a non-American portraying him, as long as he was a good actor.
Nope.
Here is American John Lithgow portraying Churchill in the critically acclaimed and audience hit THE CROWN:
Are you serious? You really need to do some research. They are American Icons and American movies smh
No we are saying that American movies like Star Wars, Wonder Women, MLK etc should have American actors playing their roles. Thats like a movie about Winston Churchill being acted by someone from Israel. People would be outraged.
It's not rocket science, people want to see good films with good stories, directing and ACTING. If a foreigner can portray an American character successfully then that's all that people care about. Studios and production companies aren't going to sacrifice quality to fulfill some jingoistic quota.
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Do foreigners even know about or read American comics?
Um... yes they do.
Henry Cavill auditioned for the role of Superman cause he is a Superman fan and a fan of American comics.
Chris Nolan did the Dark Knight films because he is a fan of Batman and other American comics.
It's not rocket science, people want to see good films with good stories, directing and ACTING. If a foreigner can portray an American character successfully then that's all that people care about. Studios and production companies aren't going to sacrifice quality to fulfill some jingoistic quota.
Um... yes they do.
Henry Cavill auditioned for the role of Superman cause he is a Superman fan and a fan of American comics.
Chris Nolan did the Dark Knight films because he is a fan of Batman and other American comics.
Obviously people do care about it, otherwise I wouldn't have created this thread.
GM and Ford are global companies just like Warner Bros, Disney, Universal etc.
GM and Ford get heavily criticized for not building cars and trucks in the U.S. and the reason why people complain is because they are considered to be American companies.
Also a lot of Americans might not realize that a lot of these actors are foreigners since they speak American English in there movies and films. Once Samuel L Jackson complained about it, I did some research and discovered that he was right,
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