Coronavirus in Massachusetts (home, gated, closing)

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Everybody is part of the problem except you and the so-called "experts." The same experts that are in bed with Big Pharma and multinational corporate interests. Don't worry though, billions/trillions of dollars pose zero influence on anything. I will also note that the same people who use the term super-spreader so often to malign people, are also the ones who propagated the term super-predator. Carry on, now. You keep trusting us into oblivion, and the rest of us will keep asking questions.

Aren't you the guy who lied to his employer about having some condition where it was impossible to wear a mask?

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Aren't you the guy who lied to his employer about having some condition where it was impossible to wear a mask?

No. You're the guy lying, right now.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

The experts know what needs to be done, but it's impossible due to people like msRB311's acquaintance.

You and the Cleveland dude are also part of the problem, not the solution.

What's the solution, redplum33? Continue to talk about forced isolation, restrictions on businesses, face coverings, and mRNA shots as if those measures have actually gotten anybody past the pandemic, anywhere on Earth?

Is the solution for people to post on here saying things like "I just feel like Massachusetts will be fine," because you wear masks more often, or more of you are vaccinated, or you have fewer megachurches full of rednecks singing on Sundays...and then, when someone posts an article about a new variant, or about how wastewater data shows your state is awash in Covid just like everyone else, you panic and clamor for more of what didn't work in the first place? Rinse, wash, repeat?

If that's the solution, I'm proud I'm not a part of it.

I think some posters here are honestly confused and think they're discussing viable solutions, but what they're actually focused on is defending the preordained top-down "solutions."

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

What's the solution, redplum33? Continue to talk about forced isolation, restrictions on businesses, face coverings, and mRNA shots as if those measures have actually gotten anybody past the pandemic, anywhere on Earth?

Is the solution for people to post on here saying things like "I just feel like Massachusetts will be fine," because you wear masks more often, or more of you are vaccinated, or you have fewer megachurches full of rednecks singing on Sundays...and then, when someone posts an article about a new variant, or about how wastewater data shows your state is awash in Covid just like everyone else, you panic and clamor for more of what didn't work in the first place? Rinse, wash, repeat?

If that's the solution, I'm proud I'm not a part of it.

I think some posters here are honestly confused and think they're discussing viable solutions, but what they're actually focused on is defending the preordained top-down "solutions."

Please don't lump me in with the "I just feel like Massachusetts will be fine" crowd. This virus doesn't care about state boundaries...and whoever said that is delusional.


There are ways to make the situation better, and I support most of that, but I don't think there is a viable solution because 2 things will continue to stand in the way:

1. people unwilling to cooperate
2. money

[bostongymjunkie]

The vast majority of people in this country have shown more than willingness to cooperate, and they have done so diligently up to the point where they see they're being buffaloed and have faced nearly nil results from the so-called solution. If your argument is that no positive results will be seen until each and every last member of society walks in lockstep and does what they are told 24/7, then your argument is about as strong as those who say that when everyone is masked and vaccinated the pandemic will be over. Wrong. No evidence of this whatsoever. Same goes for the shrill "if everyone wears a mask" it will be all over business (which I did, except outdoors) which also proved to be wrong and which people with even a modicum of common sense knew.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Everybody is part of the problem except you and the so-called "experts." The same experts that are in bed with Big Pharma and multinational corporate interests. Don't worry though, billions/trillions of dollars pose zero influence on anything. I will also note that the same people who use the term super-spreader so often to malign people, are also the ones who propagated the term super-predator. Carry on, now. You keep trusting us into oblivion, and the rest of us will keep asking questions.

The public health experts are not the problem. It's the politicians who won't follow their recommendations and/or allow them to speak freely. And let's not turn this into a Democrat vs Republican thing. One group may put on a better show...but, at the end of the day, they're the same -- far more concerned about money than public health.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by redplum33

The public health experts are not the problem. It's the politicians who won't follow their recommendations and/or allow them to speak freely. And let's not turn this into a Democrat vs Republican thing. One group may put on a better show...but, at the end of the day, they're the same -- far more concerned about money than public health.

Which recommendation that isn't being followed would stop the virus?

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by redplum33

Please don't lump me in with the "I just feel like Massachusetts will be fine" crowd. This virus doesn't care about state boundaries...and whoever said that is delusional.


There are ways to make the situation better, and I support most of that, but I don't think there is a viable solution because 2 things will continue to stand in the way:

1. people unwilling to cooperate
2. money

Happy to honor that request.

I do want to gently point out that you rebuked bostongymjunkie for having "complaints but zero viable solutions," but now you're literally saying you don't think there's a viable solution, a few posts later.

I'm telling you, this is where the motivation for the backlash comes from. If certain things are not a solution, we'd all do well to move on from them. But instead, we have to listen to people caterwauling about how the solution would be working if people would only cooperate. Salty, "what-if" whining like this is repulsive to people; they hate it. If people won't cooperate with your solution, it's not a solution. Move on.

I gave up the idea that the cooperation of the populace would be an important factor in ending this pandemic when people flooded the streets after George Floyd's death. Then I realized it didn't matter anyway and we actually would be better off just getting back to normal immediately (so, in a weird way, those protesters deserve some credit). If I have any regrets on my end, it's that I didn't realize this sooner.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

I gave up the idea that the cooperation of the populace would be an important factor in ending this pandemic when people flooded the streets after George Floyd's death. Then I realized it didn't matter anyway and we actually would be better off just getting back to normal immediately (so, in a weird way, those protesters deserve some credit). If I have any regrets on my end, it's that I didn't realize this sooner.

And for example the 1,000 medical professionals cited in a CNN news article about a letter they wrote refusing to say the protests were risky gatherings. What a conflicting message. One of many.

[Space_League]

Does anyone know of studies on the relationship between fitness and COVID-19 outcomes? What percentage of people with life threatening or fatal cases of covid were physically active with 5+ hours of moderate to rigorous excercise per week? What percentage had a baseline level of cardiovascular health, such as ability to run a mile in 8 minutes?