Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: basements, historic, substitute)

[wror]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Yes, of course the health care workers are now sick because a small fraction of them went to a club over a month ago and not because 100% of those health care workers work every day in a high risk environment surrounded by sick people. Yup. Makes perfect sense that it was the clubs. Brilliance. Thank you.

I worked as a bouncer at 2 Boston nightclubs decades ago.
Boston clubs patrons are no longer called yuppies, but the demographics are the same:
Young urban Boston professionals that work in the city or metro Boston area by day; financial workers, healthcare workers,tourists and an assortment of stragglers from the Boston towns, make up the mobs of people who go to the Boston clubs even in 2020

And true, 'a very,very,very small fraction of the overall total numbers of Boston/Boston area healthcare workers went to a club over a month ago' , however, a good portion of healthcare workers, based on my Boston club experience, made up a part of the mobs of people who blatantly disregarded social gathering by going to the Boston nightclubs a month ago. Other non healthcare workers patrons to the Boston clubs s month ago, also disregarded social gatherings.

2 weeks afterwards, Boston and Mass is embroiled in a coronavirus crisis.
Who knows how many of those Boston clubs goers got the Virus and went on to exponentially pass it on to others.

[yesmaybe]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Ya so we shut down buisness so people would not get sick only to see people who are forced not to work waiting in line for food that are not even standing 12 inches away from each other let alone 6 feet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj0nhE_ByI0

That is essentially a parade . This is Pretty Smart if you ask me. Those people are waiting in line at least 2 hours close to everyone. They are about 10 inches away from each other if that. This is prolonged exposure too which matters too versus saying hi to someone and walking away.

How many infected at this event?

Have to think most of Chelsea already has it.

[scorpio516]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

I am 40 and consider myself a young gen x born in 1979. Then some say but people our age where introduced to the internet and america online when we where still kids. where people slightly older then us did not get introduced to the internet until they became a adult so they could view the world differently. People our age where the first generation to use the internet before adulthood. It was a very basic form of the internet but still the internet. The first time i saw the internet and search engines I knew this invention was as big as the televison if not bigger. It blew my mind. Millenials don't know what it was like before the internet.

IMHO Pew sets the standard. Makes sense too, as they use it for research on cohorts.

A good way to look at it:
Boomers remember Kennedy's assassination, although some weren't even born yet.
Gen X remembers the Challenger
Millenials remember 9/11
Youngest? Today? I don't know yet.

Pew goes with 46-65, 66-80, 81-96, 96-?. When Pew put out a press release closing Millenials at 96, they arbitrarily used 2012 to end the next generation to make it the same duration as Gen X and Millenials.

[BostonMike7]

Yesterday's dashboard.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

Interesting to note that over 50% of the deaths are from folks living in long-term care facilities. 97% of all had some sort of underlying condition.

MA also has a 9% hospitalization rate of known cases. Average age is 68


One other thing to note. Two Massachusetts counties are in the top 20 in the country for confirmed cases. Middlesex #18, Suffolk #20, and Essex county is 28. There are just over 3100 counties total in the US.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

Yesterday's dashboard.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

Interesting to note that over 50% of the deaths are from folks living in long-term care facilities. 97% of all had some sort of underlying condition.

MA also has a 9% hospitalization rate of known cases. Average age is 68


One other thing to note. Two Massachusetts counties are in the top 20 in the country for confirmed cases. Middlesex #18, Suffolk #20, and Essex county is 28. There are just over 3100 counties total in the US.

I know you’re aware of this, so I post this as a reminder for other posters/readers.

Self isolation is really focused on reducing the hospitalization rate. Deaths are inevitable, particularly in high risk populations, but what policy makers are looking to avoid is a scenario where lower risk 50 to 60 somethings begin to inundate the ED (ER) spreading resources thin. So far, we’ve more or less avoided this (I.e., all patients have been receiving adequate critical care).

[charolastra00]

Originally Posted by wror

I worked as a bouncer at 2 Boston nightclubs decades ago.
Boston clubs patrons are no longer called yuppies, but the demographics are the same:
Young urban Boston professionals that work in the city or metro Boston area by day; financial workers, healthcare workers,tourists and an assortment of stragglers from the Boston towns, make up the mobs of people who go to the Boston clubs even in 2020

And true, 'a very,very,very small fraction of the overall total numbers of Boston/Boston area healthcare workers went to a club over a month ago' , however, a good portion of healthcare workers, based on my Boston club experience, made up a part of the mobs of people who blatantly disregarded social gathering by going to the Boston nightclubs a month ago. Other non healthcare workers patrons to the Boston clubs s month ago, also disregarded social gatherings.

2 weeks afterwards, Boston and Mass is embroiled in a coronavirus crisis.
Who knows how many of those Boston clubs goers got the Virus and went on to exponentially pass it on to others.

Do you really think your experience "decades" ago reflects what doctors knowing what was coming down the pike did 6 weeks ago? I'm a middle of the road Millennial (early 30s) with plenty of doctors, nurses, physician's assistants, and social workers in my social circle from college. They were advocating for a lock down in early March and were certainly not the people who saw the upcoming shut down as an opportunity for a last hurrah.


Doctors and nurses are getting sick because they're spending 12 hour shifts for weeks on end in places with high viral load and STILL not enough PPE.


Since you hold our medical staff in such poor regard, I certainly hope you will abstain from seeking their services in the near future.

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

I know you’re aware of this, so I post this as a reminder for other posters/readers.

Self isolation is really focused on reducing the hospitalization rate. Deaths are inevitable, particularly in high risk populations, but what policy makers are looking to avoid is a scenario where lower risk 50 to 60 somethings begin to inundate the ED (ER) spreading resources thin. So far, we’ve more or less avoided this (I.e., all patients have been receiving adequate critical care).

Exactly, and efforts in the coming months (years), will be aimed at ensuring hospitalizations remain manageable. While deaths are inevitable, the death rate will skyrocket when hospitals can't keep the pace during each spike in cases.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by lrfox

Exactly, and efforts in the coming months (years), will be aimed at ensuring hospitalizations remain manageable. While deaths are inevitable, the death rate will skyrocket when hospitals can't keep the pace during each spike in cases.

I actually think with the populations ability to get the proper masks, promising drugs, growing immunity, and smarter management of hot spots.. we are likely to be able to avoid hospital issues.

This is also why were are lifting restrictions in the USA and going back to work, because the goal of social distancing -- keeping hospitals clear, has been achieved.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

I know you’re aware of this, so I post this as a reminder for other posters/readers.

Self isolation is really focused on reducing the hospitalization rate. Deaths are inevitable, particularly in high risk populations, but what policy makers are looking to avoid is a scenario where lower risk 50 to 60 somethings begin to inundate the ED (ER) spreading resources thin. So far, we’ve more or less avoided this (I.e., all patients have been receiving adequate critical care).

I really don't know what's so hard about this to understand for so many.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by massnative71

I really don't know what's so hard about this to understand for so many.

I hate to say this, but average intelligence may be a factor? I wish I remembered the source & statistic, but there was an astounding % of the population that (apparently) cannot understand a simple x-y plot. When you talk about exponential spread, curves, and flattening them, you may be talking PhD level for a lot of folks (hate to say it).