Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston, Washington: home, tenant, allergies)

[Amontillado]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

What are we to take from that, in your opinion?

"It could be worse", is the response I suppose. And there's more to it than that--the Spanish flu victims tended to be young, and the COVID victims tend to be old, and losing young people has to hurt more. But then, much less was known about disease in 1918, and it was accepted that people were going to die of mysterious causes, as they always had. Now we expect that everything is going to be understood, and every disease has a cause and a defense. So if something new comes along and kills lots of people, it's an affront to science. AIDS was the same in its day, but now that's pretty well explained.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Nothing, I hope. We should not be doomed to repeat history...we want to do better than we did 100 years ago.

Yes. In my opinion, 675,000 dead is more than enough. And the crazy thing is we have the tools, but with so many refusing to use them, we are fighting the pandemic with one arm tied behind our back, so to speak. If we continue with that, I think we may see a total of one million US dead by next spring.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

Yes. In my opinion, 675,000 dead is more than enough. And the crazy thing is we have the tools, but with so many refusing to use them, we are fighting the pandemic with one arm tied behind our back, so to speak. If we continue with that, I think we may see a total of one million US dead by next spring.

I'm afraid you're right. This is not the case in MA, but just think--the unvaccinated in (say) the Southern states, are basically facing the full force of the pandemic, with no public health measures in place and everything wide open. So as a population, they are much more vulnerable than a year ago!

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

What are we to take from that, in your opinion?

I was only looking at it from a literal perspective in terms of numbers.


If i were to dig into deeper, I think we are already there in terms of impact on society. Unfortunately all we need is some time and the numbers will make this official. We might even already be there if there is a significant undercount.

Back in early 2020 I spent some of my (now available) free time researching the history of some of the earlier pandemics, particularly Spanish Flu. Without going into too much detail, a lot of what we are seeing today has already played out in some form 103 years ago.

One parallel i'm waiting to see unfold is how Covid ends and how it compares with SF.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

Yes. In my opinion, 675,000 dead is more than enough. And the crazy thing is we have the tools, but with so many refusing to use them, we are fighting the pandemic with one arm tied behind our back, so to speak. If we continue with that, I think we may see a total of one million US dead by next spring.

Studies have been coming out showing this is a significant undercount already.

[msRB311]

A travel ban is being lifted in November as long as people have a covid card.

Is this being done for domestic flights within the US??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-live-updates/

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

A travel ban is being lifted in November as long as people have a covid card.

Is this being done for domestic flights within the US??

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-live-updates/

There is a travel ban on domestic flights???

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by massnative71

There is a travel ban on domestic flights???

No...she's referring to a vaccine requirement. Wouldn't it be nice if TSA imposed one for domestic flights.

[msRB311]

Right, no travel ban in the US..

[sawyer2]

Some good news today from Pfizer and Biontech
- Results are the first from a pivotal trial of any COVID-19 vaccine in children under 12 years of age
- In participants 5 to 11 years of age, the vaccine was safe, well tolerated and showed robust neutralizing antibody responses
- Companies plan to submit these data to the FDA, EMA and other regulatory agencies around the world as soon as possible
- Results in children under 5 years of age are expected as soon as later this year



'......announced results from a Phase 2/3 trial showing a favorable safety profile and robust neutralizing antibody responses in children 5 to 11 years of age using a two-dose regimen of 10 µg administered 21 days apart, a smaller dose than the 30 µg dose used for people 12 and older. The antibody responses in the participants given 10 µg doses were comparable to those recorded in a previous Pfizer-BioNTech study in people 16 to 25 years of age immunized with 30 µg doses"

"The data summarized from this Phase 2/3 study, which is enrolling children 6 months to 11 years of age, was for 2,268 participants who were 5 to 11 years of age and received a 10 µg dose level in a two-dose regimen. In the trial, the SARS-CoV-2–neutralizing antibody geometric mean titer (GMT) was 1,197.6 (95% confidence interval [CI, 1106.1, 1296.6]), demonstrating strong immune response in this cohort of children one month after the second dose. This compares well (was non-inferior) to the GMT of 1146.5 (95% CI: 1045.5, 1257.2) from participants ages 16 to 25 years old, used as the control group for this analysis and who were administered a two-dose regimen of 30 µg. Further, the COVID-19 vaccine was well tolerated, with side effects generally comparable to those observed in participants 16 to 25 years of age."

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...0920005452/en/

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...opline-results