Coronavirus in Massachusetts (wedding, living, assess)

[redplum33]

About 200 UMass Amherst students face suspension for attending party

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by JJD123

I think the issue is that the unvaccinated people from multiple households can infect each other.

The issue is, as stated by Irfox, a vaccinated individual can still carry the virus while being completely unaware. The CDC is effectively stating "Please don't be an unintentional super spreader".

I've been seeing my vaccinated family/friends knowing they could be potential carriers, but given the mutual risk profiles I'm not too concerned. I'd still prefer pharma induced immunity over the natural route.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

The issue is, as stated by Irfox, a vaccinated individual can still carry the virus while being completely unaware. The CDC is effectively stating "Please don't be an unintentional super spreader".

But, again, it's ok to potentially infect one household?

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by redplum33

But, again, it's ok to potentially infect one household?

There’s plenty of practical reasons why one might visit a single household. The CDC presumably realizes this.

[sawyer2]

This is based on practicality Vs probability of compliance Vs risk

[OutdoorLover]

I don't think there's really definitive information yet on whether or not vaccinated people, even after they've had 2 shots and their immune system has fully responded, can still acquire the infection sufficiently to transmit it. And while people tend to prefer simple black and white answers - yes/no, it may turn out that e.g. most vaccinated people can't transmit the disease, but some can - that there's a patient dependence; or that it depends on the variant of the virus involved; or that it depends on the vaccine that was used.... or all 3 of these may be influential factors - there's a lot going on here.

[yesmaybe]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

I don't think there's really definitive information yet on whether or not vaccinated people, even after they've had 2 shots and their immune system has fully responded, can still acquire the infection sufficiently to transmit it. And while people tend to prefer simple black and white answers - yes/no, it may turn out that e.g. most vaccinated people can't transmit the disease, but some can - that there's a patient dependence; or that it depends on the variant of the virus involved; or that it depends on the vaccine that was used.... or all 3 of these may be influential factors - there's a lot going on here.

It's not 100% protection even with the mRNA ones. It's close, and you are pretty much not going to get sick. But it's not 100%.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

But, again, it's ok to potentially infect one household?

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

There’s plenty of practical reasons why one might visit a single household. The CDC presumably realizes this.

It's not just visiting; it's visiting "indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing".

[rach5]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

I don't think there's really definitive information yet on whether or not vaccinated people, even after they've had 2 shots and their immune system has fully responded, can still acquire the infection sufficiently to transmit it. And while people tend to prefer simple black and white answers - yes/no, it may turn out that e.g. most vaccinated people can't transmit the disease, but some can - that there's a patient dependence; or that it depends on the variant of the virus involved; or that it depends on the vaccine that was used.... or all 3 of these may be influential factors - there's a lot going on here.

I think the CDC guidance here is (once again) politically driven more so than science driven and a bit premature given all the variants, different vaccines etc. But I think they want to encourage people getting the vaccine, even if it's just out of concern for their own convenience.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by redplum33

It's not just visiting; it's visiting "indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing".

As already stated, it's about risk profiles and acknowledging human behavior. People have mask fatigue and if they correctly assume they are protected, they're going to want to ditch the mask. The CDC, which I acknowledge has had some messaging problems, is asking individuals manage their risk while society hopefully begins to normalize.

You may wish to live indefinitely as 'bubble boy', but the bulk of society wants to move on ASAP. CDC is trying to temper that enthusiasm, but also leave room for what once was normal social behavior.

For the first time in my son's life he was able to see his Great Grandparents face, smile, interact meaningfully. People value these interactions. My risk profile is very different from my 86 YO grandmother ... limited interactions shouldn’t drive up hospitalization/fatality numbers now that the high risk populations are being vaccinated.