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Cost prohibitive, poor technology when originally released, cost of gas and electricity vs pay back preventing quick adoption?
In you quest to argue against, you could have also easily came up with why it could be the future.
Gov't is now subsidizing; as well as PSEGLI, can heat down to -13, and adoption will drive the prices down further. It will be our future and the Northern states will likely drive the adoption.
PSEG has a subcontractor that will upgrade your entire heating and cooling system to Heat Pumps. No upfront cost and they will replace your entire system with 20 year payback, they net the profit for the savings each year with some going to the homeowner.
The name of the subcontractor is Sealed and they include other energy efficient upgrades, insulation, windows. Well worth looking into if you are a starting out. It is definitely the future.
AN old outdated one. Up until a few years ago, they didn't do well. You SERIOUSLY have NO CLUE about the modern models
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How do you know?? Do you see a make and model in his post? Nope. For all you know it could be brand new
Since there are heat pumps that exist that operate in cold weather below zero F (significantly below 0 C), then obviously that poster has one that does not. That doesn't necessarily have to be old, though of very old heat pumps none will operate in sub-zero temperatures, but there are still heat pumps being created now that do not operate in subzero temperatures which is why it's important to do preliminary research to make sure you get the heat pump system that works for your climate and your household. That doesn't take away from the fact that there are heat pumps that do operate well in cold weather though. One way to quickly resolve this is to ask that poster what heat pump he had installed. It's analogous to saying vehicles that can go from 0-60 mph in under eight seconds don't exist, because there is someone who has a vehicle that does 0-60 mph in over ten seconds at best. Sure, that latter vehicle certainly exists, but it doesn't preclude the under eight seconds vehicle from existing. Claiming the latter does not exist because the former does is fundamentally not a logical argument.
The nice thing about heat pumps are that a lot of them are designed to be reversible and thus able to operate as air conditioners for cooling as well since air conditioners and heat pumps operate on similar principles and most people's homes are connected to the electrical grid and have enough power to operate air conditioners. If they can operate air conditioners in the summer, then there's a good chance they can operate efficient heat pumps for heating as well especially given that the "waste heat" generated by the work the heat pumps do in winter is actually useful and can be integrated into being useful for the system unlike in air conditioning where the heat generated from work is actually undesirable.
I do think we should caveat that by saying in East Asia there have been air source heat pumps that operate in subzero temperatures pretty well (but not like Fairbanks Alaska winter kind of well where -60F nights do happen and -40F is pretty much guaranteed to happen every winter, but certainly Long Island's winter weather is fine) available for about a couple of decades now whereas it's more like just the last several years where they've been more widely available in the US. The craziest thing is that even the very efficient heat pumps today are actually operating well below theoretical heat pump efficiency and it's not too unlikely that we'll be seeing even more advances over the next decade where even fairly trying conditions like winters in Fairbanks, Alaska are fair game for heat pumps especially since there are going to be many days in places like that where even outside of the depths of winter you'll want to have the heat on.
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I just had my Bosch IDS 2.0 installed by YAS HVAC out in Smithtown. Great experience with the guy - takes a bit to answer but will always respond. His prices was extremely fair compared to 3 other HVAC contractors. I was quoted more $$$ by 2 others, with no replacement of ductwork.
All in all, it was cheaper to go with the heat pump due to rebates vs just replacing with a new compressor, handler and ducts due to PSEG rebates and federal tax credits.
I ran it and under 5 kW of power an hour in 28 degree weather til it hit temp. So better then oil but and likely a bit more expensive then gas.
How do you know?? Do you see a make and model in his post? Nope. For all you know it could be brand new
Its not just the equipment, it is also the how well sealed and insulated the house is. Because a heat pump sucks in air, a poorly insulated and/or sealed house will perform poorly and could run all day since it is potentially sucking in cold air from air leaks.
Obviously, with the greater temp differentials of winter vs summer - any air leak is magnified. That being said, I have to add insulation/seal the bedroom over my garage to better take advantage of the heat function.
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