[OmegaSupreme]

Originally Posted by hotjambalaya

maybe you cant see it because you're american, but as an outsider I think the concept of american society doing as its told when it comes to this is absolutely laughable. Its just impossible, there's just something in the american psyche that sees any interference as a huge invasion of freedom and liberty, next thing theres a 4 hour line at every gun shop while people scream about the stafford act and troops on the street yelling "arm yourself be ready to fight for freedom against government oppression"

Yes for the most part people aren't running around committing crimes on a daily basis, but huge amounts of otherwise law abiding citizens are ready to be triggered, and will not listen to new laws curtailing their freedom because they don't think it applies to them.

The amount of people that seem to be spending time hanging out at friends houses, or golfing, or hiking together while this is going on says it all really.

Compare this to japan, and I guarantee you that if they go for a lockdown you will not see a single person on the streets unless they absolutely have to be there. They are a FAR FAR more socially responsible towards the greater good, and not just compared to the usa, but compared to pretty much any country.

This is one of the reasons the number of infected in the US will be higher than any other country, and no, it's not because of the most amount of tests, it's because of the attitude of a large proportion of its citizens.

[OmegaSupreme]

Originally Posted by ND_Irish

It does not say that they are starting to lock things down. It says they may consider it in the article you cited. Any search on Sweden right now does not produce any news indicating that country's strategy has changed.

They're on an exponential climb what do you think is going to happen next?

Here's what they have now:
limiting social gatherings to 50 people
closing of high schools and universities

Their experiment didn't work. If they don't act, their fragile healthcare system will collapse. It may even be too late.

[RationalExpectations]

Originally Posted by ND_Irish

While it is obviously good news that the projections significantly overestimated many of the metrics, it is highly disturbing that this model is still being relied upon to make policy decisions regarding the economy.

There are so many exogenous shocks that models have a tough time keeping up. As more people take social distancing seriously, it drops the R0, which in turn drops both the actuals and the forecasts.

[Merrily Gather]

Originally Posted by ND_Irish

I certainly hope the medical community, whom none of the citizens of Nevada has elected, is not the sole arbiter regarding this matter. If that is the case, this state is in bigger trouble than I thought. There is no rational reason to continue a lockdown of ALL citizens of Nevada. The most vulnerable based on CDC data should continue to take extra precautions and isolate themselves if they are not comfortable with the risk. Everyone else in the low-risk demographics absolutely should be allowed to proceed with their lives with sensible precautions to start. A one-size-fits-all approach dictated exclusively by the medical community, which clearly is not taking into account the long-term societal and economic ramifications of its actions, is not viable.

No not elected officials. It's physicians and their families across southern NV on the front lines of this. Even with the lowered projections the warnings are that if we let up too soon it will cause an immediate second wave of infections.

Anyways it's done. Now we see how things play out.

[ND_Irish]

Originally Posted by RationalExpectations

There are so many exogenous shocks that models have a tough time keeping up. As more people take social distancing seriously, it drops the R0, which in turn drops both the actuals and the forecasts.

Perhaps, that is the case, or perhaps all we have done is delay the onset of herd immunity among those in the low-risk demographic creating a potentially worse situation down the road for those in the high-risk demographic. There still is far too much focus on only the medical implications of this lockdown of citizens.

We all deserve to see specific data from the State of Nevada and Clark County with demographic data for those who are hospitalized, in ICU, and deceased. Washoe County is providing updated demographic data on cases as well as tracking recoveries. Why on earth is the largest county in the state unable or unwilling to do this? Governor Sisolak promised transparency. Where is all of the data which would allow the citizens to evaluate what the risk truly is? Instead, our governor shows up angry to press conferences lecturing people about going outside improperly distanced (did he measure how far apart the people were whom he saw) and implores people to wear red ribbons as if that somehow is going to ameliorate the situation. I hardly call this leadership. New York and New Jersey, on the other hand, are readily providing detailed demographic information on a daily basis so it begs the question why our state and county is unwilling or unable to provide the same data. In both New York and New Jersey, the deceased are overwhelmingly 60 years of age and older the last time I checked. Therefore, the more rational approach would be for the social distancing and isolation to occur among those 60 years of age and older and those with other health issues.

[Teacher Terry]

Did anyone realistically expect the lockdown to end before 6/1?

[Merrily Gather]

Originally Posted by ND_Irish

Perhaps, that is the case, or perhaps all we have done is delay the onset of herd immunity among those in the low-risk demographic creating a potentially worse situation down the road for those in the high-risk demographic. There still is far too much focus on only the medical implications of this lockdown of citizens.

We all deserve to see specific data from the State of Nevada and Clark County with demographic data for those who are hospitalized, in ICU, and deceased. Washoe County is providing updated demographic data on cases as well as tracking recoveries. Why on earth is the largest county in the state unable or unwilling to do this? Governor Sisolak promised transparency. Where is all of the data which would allow the citizens to evaluate what the risk truly is? Instead, our governor shows up angry to press conferences lecturing people about going outside improperly distanced (did he measure how far apart the people were whom he saw) and implores people to wear red ribbons as if that somehow is going to ameliorate the situation. I hardly call this leadership. New York and New Jersey, on the other hand, are readily providing detailed demographic information on a daily basis so it begs the question why our state and county is unwilling or unable to provide the same data. In both New York and New Jersey, the deceased are overwhelmingly 60 years of age and older the last time I checked. Therefore, the more rational approach would be for the social distancing and isolation to occur among those 60 years of age and older and those with other health issues.

Yeah I hate the pie graph they use. Just give us a spreadsheet with age, date, hospital, etc to make it easy to read. Like other places do.

Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Did anyone realistically expect the lockdown to end before 6/1?

Well, we hoped for May 1st. We won't know if it needs to be extended another two weeks until April 30th.

[CD2017]

Originally Posted by Merry Lee Gather

No not elected officials. It's physicians and their families across southern NV on the front lines of this. Even with the lowered projections the warnings are that if we let up too soon it will cause an immediate second wave of infections.

Anyways it's done. Now we see how things play out.

What's done?

[Merrily Gather]

Originally Posted by rhuff80

What's done?

Moving our charity fashion show for the second time. First it was moved from March to mid-May and now it's moved back to September because of all this.

[CD2017]

Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Did anyone realistically expect the lockdown to end before 6/1?

Possibly, seeing how the projections everywhere, including here have taken a big step backwards. I can see casino's being closed until 6/1 but a rollout of local businesses starting 5/1 to 5/14. Depends when/what our peak looks like and our available resources.

I think schools will remain closed for the spring semester.