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View Poll Results: Is shooting arsonists and looters ok
Yes 150 71.77%
No 59 28.23%
Voters: 209. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-01-2020, 07:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jghorton View Post
I do not understand the mindset of people who use any opportunity (such as a major storm, or the lights going out in a city, wrongdoing by public officials) ...to steal, loot, rob, burn, etc..... and then pretend that their actions are somehow civilized or justified.
Simple. They want to do whatever they want and not suffer any consequences.

 
Old 06-01-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...29563046576128

Warning, very graphic. Store owner attempted to defend his store in Dallas. The looters literally pounded him to death.
It is hard to tell what the most devastating blow was, but it appears that a guy with a skateboard cracked him in the head.
Many people do not realize how dangerous skateboards can be, but they can easily kill someone.

Even if this guy is alive, he could very well have permanent brain damage.
People certainly have the right to defend themselves and their neighborhood, but a machete against a large groups of potential assailants is not a wise choice.



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Old 06-01-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Originally Posted by Vector1 View Post
It is hard to tell what the most devastating blow was, but it appears that a guy with a skateboard cracked him in the head.
Many people do not realize how dangerous skateboards can be, but they can easily kill someone.

Even if this guy is alive, he could very well have permanent brain damage.
People certainly have the right to defend themselves and their neighborhood, but a machete against a large groups of potential assailants is not a wise choice.



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No it’s not. You don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
 
Old 06-01-2020, 10:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Vector1 View Post
It is hard to tell what the most devastating blow was, but it appears that a guy with a skateboard cracked him in the head.
Many people do not realize how dangerous skateboards can be, but they can easily kill someone.

Even if this guy is alive, he could very well have permanent brain damage.
People certainly have the right to defend themselves and their neighborhood, but a machete against a large groups of potential assailants is not a wise choice.



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He's still alive. He was in critical but is now stable. He even posted to Twitter to explain why. I forgot his full name, but his first name is initials and his last name is Schoultz (sp?).



He had a noble purpose. The bar wasn't his, but a favorite of his, so that's why he wanted to defend it. He was stupid to think he could defend a mob by his lonesome. It didn't matter if he had a machete or sword or a knife. He would've been (and was) overpowered.
 
Old 06-01-2020, 10:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Vector1 View Post
It is hard to tell what the most devastating blow was, but it appears that a guy with a skateboard cracked him in the head.
Many people do not realize how dangerous skateboards can be, but they can easily kill someone.

Even if this guy is alive, he could very well have permanent brain damage.
People certainly have the right to defend themselves and their neighborhood, but a machete against a large groups of potential assailants is not a wise choice.



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And some folks seem to think charities and education will change people like this. I’ve tried explaining this but no one seems to get it. They do not care about your business, your family, your stuff. They simply hate you. It is the same for all groups of violence prone men of all races. Almost none can be rehabilitated.
 
Old 06-02-2020, 03:26 AM
 
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And some folks seem to think charities and education will change people like this. I’ve tried explaining this but no one seems to get it. They do not care about your business, your family, your stuff. They simply hate you. It is the same for all groups of violence prone men of all races. Almost none can be rehabilitated.
What about violence prone women of all races?
 
Old 06-02-2020, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Shooting arsonists and looters who are breaking into your store is the same as breaking into your house. If they are breaking into your house, they might only intend to use your bathroom, but you have no way of knowing what they really intend to do so you have to assume the worse, and so you can defend your life by taking theirs.
 
Old 06-02-2020, 07:29 AM
 
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Shooting arsonists and looters who are breaking into your store is the same as breaking into your house. If they are breaking into your house, they might only intend to use your bathroom, but you have no way of knowing what they really intend to do so you have to assume the worse, and so you can defend your life by taking theirs.

Better check your state law carefully on that.
 
Old 06-02-2020, 08:55 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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It's come up in Minneapolis, but it seems to be a trouble spot whenever there's an evacuation for a hurricane or key event. Curious what the CD thinks.
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Of course shooting is not acceptable for crimes against property. But, something severe needs to happen when 'mobs' of looters and arsonists use "a legitimate protest" as an excuse to loot and burn property. This has happened in Ferguson and now Minneapolis ... and elsewhere.

No rational, civil person condones the apparent treatment of Floyd by the police, and this must be dealt with in the courts, like any other illegal action. But, this lawless rampage (NOT a "response" as some try to paint it) is even more reprehensible and equally perverse -- and has nothing to do with race!

I do not understand the mindset of people who use any opportunity (such as a major storm, or the lights going out in a city, wrongdoing by public officials) ...to steal, loot, rob, burn, etc..... and then pretend that their actions are somehow civilized or justified.
If there were a practical way to restrain a riot I'd be all for it. The fact is that there is not.

One of the first things that one hopefully learns as a child is that police are basically good, but must, under almost all circumstances be obeyed. The fact is that the human waves of looters and arsonists operate in groups to overwhelm the police. This is obviously impermissible in any organized society. The problem, then, is that there is no alternative to people being in fear of lethal force.

George Floyd was apparently not acting in such a manner so in no way am I justifying that wanton disregard of human life. But people throwing Molotov cocktails and breaking glass storefronts are endangering lots of human lives themselves. So I voted yes.For individual as opposed to group actions I would not favor s hooting looters. Arsonists are a different story since fires are inherently more risky to life than looting. But when people act in groups, that's a different story.
 
Old 06-02-2020, 09:00 AM
 
Location: southern california
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My city was burned and looted a few days ago because a trolly cop shoved a belligerent passenger
My church members were harassed and threatened when they tried to help the clean up
The police were ordered not to interfere
The media has clearly sided with the criminals
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