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I will try to be as PC as possible. But there is no skirting around the widespread focus on diversity. Many people (including important leaders) push diversity and multiculturalism. This plainly means, by definition, that the darker that the overall populace becomes, the better. (Having a solely-white populace is not diverse; ipso facto, becoming more diverse means having other colors as well). But where is the geographic line on those colors? Clearly some parts of the world have non-white populations. Having people come here from those areas obviously increases diversity. But what about the “border areas”, say between Europe and the Middle East? If people come here from Greece, does THAT improve our diversity (or are they just more whites)? How about Serbs? Georgians? Armenians? Chechnyans? You might say that the latter add to our diversity when they come here (they tend to be somewhat dark). But what about the Chechnyans who are from areas closer to Russia, who may not be dark at all? Do they make us darker? They’re Chechnyans (who tend to be dark), but what if their family is quite light? Then what?
There are other examples.
Doesn’t this demonstrate how diversity efforts are built on a house of cards? We can’t even say who qualifies and who doesn’t.
Forced diversity is a sham and farce and nothing more than some feel good numbers to make people in charge happy.
Forced diversity, especially when someone is not really qualified, can end up harming/killing innocent people.
Think of a salad, served on a plate with 5 sections. Each section has a different item- lettuce in one, tomatoes in another, mushrooms, croutons and salad dressing each in their own section. You cannot mix them together. Would you even call this a salad? Or would you call this a plate of a bunch of different items?
Now take all of these ingredients and mix them together, all on one plate. All of these items come together to make a tasty salad. Each still has its own flavor, texture, color and shape, but taste much better combined than on their own. Which would you rather have for a meal?
A country with several cultures and mindsets all keeping their separate ways is not a country, it's a bunch of people living in sections instead of coming together to make a society that's good for everyone. Diversity is something made up of many different ingredients mixed together. Keeping them apart from each other is separatism, not diversity.
Alot of arguing about whether Diversity is good or bad. I see that as moot. It's just really funny that we worship Diversity, but upon inspection, we can't even answer the most basic questions about "what is Diversity?"
No I didn't suggest any of that. And it's getting really old and insulting that any time anyone says we should reduce or change immigration policy, it's Godwin's Law and straight to comparisons with the historical Nazis.
I know, so lame isn't it?
If someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint, or respect your entitlement to have it, they just "shut the conversation down" with childish name calling:
You're a Nazi, you're a a member of the Clan, this or that "ist" or this or that "phobe", you're a White Supremist, blah, blah blah, you're a Trumpster, or a Demorat, on and on.
After that, no intelligent debate of the pro/cons of diversity, or any other political issue, can continue. Kind of a shame.
And that's a fair point. If you want to argue that the US should keep its nose out of the business of sovereign nations, I won't disagree with you. But I don't think we have any "humanitarian obligation" to take in the world's refuse.
We have always had humanitarianism as a vision in our immigration policy and we have always taken the world to refuse. Early white immigrants from eastern European nations were not educated people coming here with money in their pockets. When the Irish first came here in droves they were starving and coming to escape a potato famine.
Humanitarianism is a good goal. Doing it the way we've always done it isn't.
As the population increases and we have a larger new population needing resources, doesn't it make good social and economic sense to slow the immigration to ensure each newcomer can make use of the best possible resources?
When you have schools full of children who don't speak English every child in that school is being hampered in learning by the focus. This is and should be a cause for concern.
We don't have to close the doors. We can limit immigration to manageable numbers so that everyone benefits.
Alot of arguing about whether Diversity is good or bad. I see that as moot. It's just really funny that we worship Diversity, but upon inspection, we can't even answer the most basic questions about "what is Diversity?"
The emperor truly has no clothes.
We know what "diversity" is. You're the one who seems lost and confused. We're not the ones starting threads asking what it is.
Humanitarianism is a good goal. Doing it the way we've always done it isn't.
As the population increases and we have a larger new population needing resources, doesn't it make good social and economic sense to slow the immigration to ensure each newcomer can make use of the best possible resources?
When you have schools full of children who don't speak English every child in that school is being hampered in learning by the focus. This is and should be a cause for concern.
We don't have to close the doors. We can limit immigration to manageable numbers so that everyone benefits.
There are many, many farms and factories that depend on migrant workers. We in south Jersey certainly do both in the shore tourist areas for seasonal cleaning/motel housekeeping and on our many farms in the summer. We can’t find enough Americans who will work in a boardwalk ice cream parlor for the summer, they rely on Eastern European H1B students for that, let alone people willing to stand in a fully bent over position in 90 degree heat with no shade for 12 hours picking blueberries.
The factories in Mississippi that were recently raided, and the meat processing plants they had 650 workers taken away in those raids. They had 250 people apply to take their places. Many of those factories are either going to close down or move to Mexico. There are whole towns in the Midwest and then crop growing states that would die without migrant workers.
The reason letting the poor in worked in days gone by, it’s because it wasn’t so difficult to build yourself up in this country. You could come here and get any old job and save enough money to buy a small farm and grow that into a larger farm. That’s how the South Jersey town Hammonton grew up, around Italian migrants who bought cheap land and farmed. It was more possible then for anyone willing to work hard to become self sufficient. But now the lower wage job don’t pay enough to save money, and the housing cost too much to save money, and even the tiniest farm would be out of reach for most people today. But other than that there really is no difference between our ancestors who came here and those trying to come now. The reasons were the same, to escape violence (my grandparents) and starvation. They often did not have any more resources than the people coming now.
People seem to have this fantasy that in the early days the people who came here in droves came here with skills and degrees ready to meld perfectly into our society. They were just desperate people with a duffel bag full of belongings in one hand and their children’s hand in the other just looking for a place to start over and build a life.
There are many, many farms and factories that depend on migrant workers. We in south Jersey certainly do both in the shore tourist areas for seasonal cleaning/motel housekeeping and on our many farms in the summer. We can’t find enough Americans who will work in a boardwalk ice cream parlor for the summer, they rely on Eastern European H1B students for that, let alone people willing to stand in a fully bent over position in 90 degree heat with no shade for 12 hours picking blueberries.
The factories in Mississippi that were recently rated, and the meat processing plants they had 650 workers taken away in those rates. They had 250 people apply to take their places. Many of those factories are either going to close down or move to Mexico. There are whole towns in the Midwest and then crop growing states that would die without migrant workers.
The reason letting the poor in worked in days gone by, it’s because it wasn’t so difficult to build yourself up in this country. You could come here and get any old job and save enough money to buy a small farm and grow that into a larger farm. That’s how the South Jersey town Hammonton grew up, around Italian migrants who bought cheap land and farmed. It was more possible then for anyone willing to work hard to become self sufficient. But now the lower wage job don’t pay enough to save money, and the housing cost too much to save money, and even the tiniest farm would be out of reach for most people today. But other than that there really is no difference between our ancestors who came here and those trying to come now. The reasons were the same, to escape violence (my grandparents) and starvation. They often did not have any more resources than the people coming now.
People seem to have this fantasy fit in the early days the people who came here in droves came here with skills and degrees ready to meld perfectly into our society. They were just desperate people with a duffel bag full of belongings in one hand and their children’s hand in the other just looking for a place to start over and build a life.
That is what's so different now. The people then were at least able to make something with nothing because they came from similar social environments, even similar climates. People who came from Italy or Germany and all over Europe were already acclimated by design to blend in well with American culture.
Otherwise, Asians and Mexicans are a good bit closer to Europeans as far as how they build relationships and interests overall, plus similarities which many have claimed doesn't really count, such as the way bodies are built and how the hair grows out of the head. I'll say this again - if how people are made isn't that big of deal, then we wouldn't have separate aisles at the store for natural (black/African) hair and no one would think of it in its natural form as out of place in a professional setting. Those things matter a whole lot when getting up close and personal with other people such as sharing neighborhoods/living spaces/job duties, etc.
I don't at all think diversity is silly. I think it just doesn't work for everyone for reasons out of anyone's control - and that reason goes back to nature and natural selection. Diversity works best when people are already comfortable around each other.
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