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Old 11-13-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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If you are seriously interested, there is lots of info on the web that answers your questions. But I suspect your post is more of a rant than a question. But here are two sources:

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...n-system-works

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr..._United_States


As far as the Somalian immigrants, which you seem focused on, most of the immigration has been as refugees fleeing the civil war which has raged there for 20 years. This was a humanitarian effort and still is. For whatever reason many of the first refugees went to Minnesota and others who have come over the years have joined the community there. It has nothing to do with Minnesota being white, it has to do with new immigrants looking for friends or community to help them get settled.
And yet one could easily argue that MN was a good place to come because it had prosperity, good social assistance programs and a solid northern European liberal background. Perhaps the homogenous qualities of the state made these things possible?
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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Diversity is silly because by spending so much energy mixing people together, they all become the same and there's no more diversity.
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Diversity is silly because by spending so much energy mixing people together, they all become the same and there's no more diversity.
Diversity is not the reason for immigration. A lot of posts here, and this ^^^ one seem to imply that there is some plan to bring in people from other countries to make the US more diverse. That is backwards. Diversity is a result of immigration; it is not the reason we have immigration.

Immigration is driven partly by demand for a growing work force - Americans are not having enough babies to keep the workforce growing at a rate that meets the goals of economic growth, so we import more people. But immigration is also driven by purely humanitarian reasons.

When a person is allowed into the US they generally have to have some resource which will sponsor him/her. This is usually family so where they go will depend on where their family or community is. If there is no family it was likely a church that sponsored the person. So sometime 20 years ago, the first Somalian probably went to Minnesota because a church sponsored him, and then friends and family followed. It is not some bureaucrat who keep pumping Somalians there.
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Old 11-13-2019, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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It does not matter where someone comes from. If the desire is to become a part of this Republic then the thing to do is embrace the American Flag. Honor the rule of law. Follow the Constitution of these United States. Realize that if you want to live here and you are from there, that here is different from there. If you don't like how things are done here and prefer how things are done there, then go back to there and let us here continue to live the life we choose.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Diversity is not the reason for immigration. A lot of posts here, and this ^^^ one seem to imply that there is some plan to bring in people from other countries to make the US more diverse. That is backwards. Diversity is a result of immigration; it is not the reason we have immigration.

Immigration is driven partly by demand for a growing work force - Americans are not having enough babies to keep the workforce growing at a rate that meets the goals of economic growth, so we import more people. But immigration is also driven by purely humanitarian reasons.

When a person is allowed into the US they generally have to have some resource which will sponsor him/her. This is usually family so where they go will depend on where their family or community is. If there is no family it was likely a church that sponsored the person. So sometime 20 years ago, the first Somalian probably went to Minnesota because a church sponsored him, and then friends and family followed. It is not some bureaucrat who keep pumping Somalians there.
We hear that it is labor force that is sought in immigrants. And yet on the local level what are we hearing?
The City council doesn't have enough Asians, Black people, whatever. The church choir is too white. We even hear that the town is too white. There does seem to be a lot of focus on that stupid measure of a human being - skin color or race. Even though, as the OP states none of us are truly capable of making the delineations if there really are any. Colleges and government seem to be able to make them. Go figure.

So I think using labor as the total explanation is disingenuous. There is definitely pressure to make all areas of our live more than match the percentages of the groups of people in our communities.

I also wonder why no one speaks of the Boers who are being persecuted and slaughtered in South Africa. They are educated and hard workers. Why are they not being offered refuge?

There are definitely some odd irregularities in policy that raise questions for people.

By the way, the Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services groups which sponsored Somalians are bureaucracies and it is to their financial benefit to do this work.

I am a Minnesotan and when I'm at the airport I always note a large group of Somalians flying to Somalia. The terminal is frequently next to one I use. This always puzzles me if they are truly seeking refuge from a dangerous country. Questions, questions, questions.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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That's not what she's saying, She's saying America was a country of red people, native Americans, it was never a white country until we started slaughtering the natives and stealing their land. In fact, white Europeans seem to be the most dangerous "immigrants" to a new land.
Well that's wrong. Pre-Columbian, Pre-British America was not a single unified country. It was several tribal nations who operated under the pre-1930s world wide concept of the right of conquest. The colonist were just operating under the same basic rules as the natives did of conquest of other's land claims.

The first British colony was completely wiped out by the Indians and the second Jamestown the beginning of America was attacked just days after the colonist settled. The Indians were not accepting immigrants and the colonist weren't immigrants. And none of that history is relevant to immigration policies today.
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Old 11-13-2019, 10:54 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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As far as the Somalian immigrants, which you seem focused on, most of the immigration has been as refugees fleeing the civil war which has raged there for 20 years. This was a humanitarian effort and still is. For whatever reason many of the first refugees went to Minnesota and others who have come over the years have joined the community there. It has nothing to do with Minnesota being white, it has to do with new immigrants looking for friends or community to help them get settled.
As in, "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor...". Remember that? It used to mean something...
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Old 11-13-2019, 11:43 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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There is a limit to how much of an alien culture intruding on a nation will be tolerated. Pushback is absolutely anticipated.
You may not have noticed this but the country is made up of a wide array of "alien" cultures that get assimilated and incorporated into the fabric of American culture. It has been like that from the very beginning and will continue. The fact that some people think everything is hunky-dory right now as it is (or maybe in 1965) and that the precious "white" culture is suddenly now at risk if anyone else immigrates (especially brown or dark people) is hogwash. Well, suck it up, Buttercup. There is nothing static about American culture or any sort of divine right bestowed on white people to keep their precious pale complexion or (false) pristine culture.
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Old 11-13-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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It does not matter where someone comes from. If the desire is to become a part of this Republic then the thing to do is embrace the American Flag. Honor the rule of law. Follow the Constitution of these United States. Realize that if you want to live here and you are from there, that here is different from there. If you don't like how things are done here and prefer how things are done there, then go back to there and let us here continue to live the life we choose.

There are plenty of American's who don't do the above. I'd wager most immigrants who are allowed to become citizens, are better citizens than many Americans.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Well that's wrong. Pre-Columbian, Pre-British America was not a single unified country. It was several tribal nations who operated under the pre-1930s world wide concept of the right of conquest. The colonist were just operating under the same basic rules as the natives did of conquest of other's land claims.

The first British colony was completely wiped out by the Indians and the second Jamestown the beginning of America was attacked just days after the colonist settled. The Indians were not accepting immigrants and the colonist weren't immigrants. And none of that history is relevant to immigration policies today.

It's relevant to the argument over whether America has been a "white" country throughout history. People act like Moses had it carved in tablets.
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