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Delusianne, thanks for at least trying to get people on the same sheet of music regards WHAT is socialism. Heres a decent example:
From Wikipedia: "Socialism refers to any of various economic and political concepts of state or collective public ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services...."
The entry runs on at great length, but the GIST of socialism is PUBLIC ownership of the MEANS of production and distribution.
Are the Feds running GM, Ford, GE, Microsoft?
Are the Feds delivering things to your door in shiny brown trucks?
Does your paycheck say Federal Farm Cooperative Number 11349, or Federal Bar and Grill?
I think not.
We're as FAR from being a socialist nation as is possible.
Providing health care to all people is not an exercise in Federal control of production or distribution. Paying the bill for all citizens, in a one-for-all-and all-for-one democratic matter is not socialism or re-distribution of wealth (ROW). But it is a purely constitutional mandate for "life, liberty and the pursuit .... provide for the common defense, promote the General Welfare.... "
There are people and religions who are against all war, but their taxes pay for national defense. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
Some religions don't believe in modern medicine, but their taxes pay for Medicare / Medicaid. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
There are people who don't own vehicles, but their taxes pay for building and policing roads. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
The majority of people don't use public transit, but their taxes pay for buses and subways. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
Is any candidate saying they want to see the Government take over farms, manufacturing, trucking, railroads, supermarkets or millions of small mom and pop businesses and run them? Hell no.
Do we need to balance the budget by rescinding Bush's unneeded and disastrous tax cuts. Yes, most of them.
But every time someone mentions health care, someone else spouts off that "we CANT do thaaaaaaaat, it's socialism." No it isn't. It isn't socialism, it isn't communism. Medicare and Medicaid are not socialism. But is it the MOST christian thing we can do for our fellow man. And it's the MOST American way of looking out for one another.
And this is the gist of Exactly how and what President Lincoln felt.
The Government exists to do collectively what we cannot do as well individually.
We're as FAR from being a socialist nation as is possible.
Providing health care to all people is not an exercise in Federal control of production or distribution. Paying the bill for all citizens, in a one-for-all-and all-for-one democratic matter is not socialism or re-distribution of wealth (ROW). But it is a purely constitutional mandate for "life, liberty and the pursuit .... provide for the common defense, promote the General Welfare.... "
There are people and religions who are against all war, but their taxes pay for national defense. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
Some religions don't believe in modern medicine, but their taxes pay for Medicare / Medicaid. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
There are people who don't own vehicles, but their taxes pay for building and policing roads. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
The majority of people don't use public transit, but their taxes pay for buses and subways. Is that an "unfair" ROW? No.
Is any candidate saying they want to see the Government take over farms, manufacturing, trucking, railroads, supermarkets or millions of small mom and pop businesses and run them? Hell no.
Do we need to balance the budget by rescinding Bush's unneeded and disastrous tax cuts. Yes, most of them.
But every time someone mentions health care, someone else spouts off that "we CANT do thaaaaaaaat, it's socialism." No it isn't. It isn't socialism, it isn't communism. Medicare and Medicaid are not socialism. But is it the MOST christian thing we can do for our fellow man. And it's the MOST American way of looking out for one another.
Best post of the day, week, month, year. Should be a Sticky. Great job Mike.
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He had the beginning stages of alzheimer's during that time...show some respect for a former sitting president, please.
So, a man with access to the finest medical care in the world and this alleged onset of disease was unknown?
IF it was known he should have stepped down but didn't, if it didn't exist he was imvolved in a treasonous act. WHY should I respect either course of action?
I love how the government privatizes the profits of these huge banks and yet puts the debt on the backs of the American people. Now if we can do this for the banks, why can't we help the American people???
I havent read all of this thread, but here is my rant: the govt has been giving money only to high earners, we agree on that, and we are in bad shape because they are a bunch of tightwads who already had enough and dont want to spend any, and therefore you have slow economy. what bush should have done, is give money to those who are known high spenders: young people, single mothers, children _hey the like to spend- instead they keep doing the political things rather than the expedient and smart thing.
I hear th em loud and clear on this board. they want more money so they can continue to sit on it and do nothing with it. they dont need anything, except a shiny new coffin which we should provide for them.
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I love how the government privatizes the profits of these huge banks and yet puts the debt on the backs of the American people. Now if we can do this for the banks, why can't we help the American people???
Helping the banks and corporations is politics.
Helping the people would be, sit down and cower in fear..............SOCIALISM!
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