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Old 09-18-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Even if you believe, despite all this evidence, that we resemble Greece, what does that say?
That I'll finally be able to buy a decent bottle of Nemea, and not much else.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I believe you broke the record for the most false statements in under 30 words.

-- If you are holding Obama to something he said in 1998, we reserve to hold Romney to what he said in the Spring -- never mind what he said/did a few years ago.

-- Obama is for changing tax policy. If tax policy is promoting wealth redistribution, then Reagan and Bush are guilty of promoting wealth redistribution upward.

-- "shove it down our throats:" taxes are not voluntary, if that's shoving down your throat, so be it.

-- "turning America into a failed socialist copy of Greece" Here are net debt levels as a percentage of GDP; source here. Just to forestall the objections, these reflect all levels of government, not just federal:



So the US has much less debt than Greece. Also worth noting is the pattern over time. Greece ran up debt relative to GDP at a fairly good clip even during good times, while the United States — despite the Bush administration’s best efforts — did not.

Even if you believe, despite all this evidence, that we resemble Greece, what does that say? Fiscal austerity in the face of a depressed economy hurts your long-run debt position. One thing the advocates of austerity never mention is that it isn’t working anywhere in the world. Remember how Ireland’s early and savage turn to austerity was supposed to reassure markets and bring borrowing costs down, and didn't?
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That I'll finally be able to buy a decent bottle of Nemea, and not much else.
I could have gone further dispelling the 'we're like Greece' meme. We have our own currency and while Greece has high interest rates, the U.S. has record low rates.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:56 PM
 
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I could have gone further dispelling the 'we're like Greece' meme. We have our own currency and while Greece has high interest rates, the U.S. has record low rates.
You, or I, or anyone who can actually find Greece on a map, could have gone much further. The Greek analogy is one of the more asinine things in this campaign. Won't stop the imbeciles from making it, though.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The 47% of Americans who are moochers support Obama's re-distribution.
Yeah, those stupid old people freeloaders, and don't get me started about those horrible disabled people that include those stinking vets. Maybe you should learn how to do math and figure out who those 47% are before you start bashing them.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This goes to show how dumb most Democrats are because the 47% who pay no income taxes, are of TAX FILERS.. Most retirees arent required to file, and people paying FICA is meaningless.

And the working poor can thank people like Bush, who increased their tax refunds, but you wont hear that, will you?

FAIL..
Funny, my dad is retired Navy, receives government pension, and Social Security. It is insulting when people like you try to call my father a freeloader for your own political gain.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Yeah, those stupid old people freeloaders, and don't get me started about those horrible disabled people that include those stinking vets. Maybe you should learn how to do math and figure out who those 47% are before you start bashing them.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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Do you mean that same group of people from which Obama just robbed $750 billion in medicare funding? I would bet that the seniors are just peachy with that. If Obama is re-elected (unlikely), the medicare 30% reduction in reimbursement set to start Jan 1st will result in MOST medical practices dropping medicare. Our 140 physician multi-specialty clinic (as well as the other large clinic in town), plans to do so if the cuts go through, as we already lose money on medicare patients now.

I wonder how happy the seniors will be with Bo if they cannot get healthcare due to his Obamacare fiasco?
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Gee-

Do you mean that same group of people from which Obama just robbed $750 billion in medicare funding? I would bet that the seniors are just peachy with that. If Obama is re-elected (unlikely), the medicare 30% reduction in reimbursement set to start Jan 1st will result in MOST medical practices dropping medicare. Our 140 physician multi-specialty clinic (as well as the other large clinic in town), plans to do so if the cuts go through, as we already lose money on medicare patients now.

I wonder how happy the seniors will be with Bo if they cannot get healthcare due to his Obamacare fiasco?
You mean the same cuts that are in the Ryan Budget and supported by Republicans? That $750 million??
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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I wonder how happy the seniors will be with Bo if they cannot get healthcare due to his Obamacare fiasco?

The same fiasco of which Mr. Romney now says he'll keep substantial parts. But then, since Mr. Romney has lately been showing a real flair for fiasco, perhaps that's to be expected.
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