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Old 09-19-2012, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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uh huh. Did we see his tax returns for 2011? If he did please post a link so we can look at them
It isn't hard to find them, here are Obama's and Biden's tax returns from 2000-2011, do you have a link of Romney and Ryan's tax returns from 2000-2011? I will gladly wait while you go find them.

President Obama and Vice President Biden: 12 Years of Tax Returns — Barack Obama
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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obama wants to steal from the job creating rich; confiscating their wealth and doling it out to the poor in small increments just enough to get their votes; but not enough for the poor to escape the democrat plantation.

The Fallacy of Redistribution
when the Soviet Union confiscated the wealth of successful farmers, food became scarce. As many people died of starvation under Stalin in the 1930s as died in Hitler's Holocaust in the 1940s.

How can that be? It is not complicated. You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth -- and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated. Farmers in the Soviet Union cut back on how much time and effort they invested in growing their crops, when they realized that the government was going to take a big part of the harvest. They slaughtered and ate young farm animals that they would normally keep tending and feeding while raising them to maturity.

People in industry are not inert objects either. Moreover, unlike farmers, industrialists are not tied to the land in a particular country.

Russian aviation pioneer Igor Sikorsky could take his expertise to America and produce his planes and helicopters thousands of miles away from his native land. Financiers are even less tied down, especially today, when vast sums of money can be dispatched electronically to any part of the world.

If confiscatory policies can produce counterproductive repercussions in a dictatorship, they are even harder to carry out in a democracy.
The Fallacy of Redistribution - Thomas Sowell - Page 1
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:39 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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LOL just posting

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g9R5Dm14fK...tting+rich.png

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Old 09-20-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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Those who are targeted for confiscation can see the handwriting on the wall, and act accordingly.

The socialist methods deployed to supposedly achieve a better world unleash an AVALANCHE of negative side effects that utterly dwarfs any of their original intentions, and brings more poverty, more inequality, more injustice, less prosperity, and more misery. This is because those methods go against an essence of human nature that cannot be changed even by people with the best of intentions.

Much of the money that goes to the government ends up being wasted, resulting in ineffective government programs, and less wealth.

Many are tempted to assume that money collected by the government goes to help the poor and downtrodden. However, much of that money ends up in the hands of the rich and politically connected, those who have the most resources and ability to lobby for it.

Socialism concentrates money and power in the hands of the government. When government grows, the greedy and corrupt don’t go away. Conversely, they now have a more powerful tool in their hands, the government itself.

The richer you are, the easier it is for you to avoid increasing taxation and leave the bill to the middle class.

A soak-the-rich, high tax strategy slows the economy. And who is hurt the most by a slow economy?

Entrepreneurship and innovation are driven by the potential for material rewards. If we take away or reduce the material rewards, we’ll have less innovation. Less innovation means less of all the cool, useful, and life-saving stuff we all love.

High taxes and government regulations make it more difficult to start and grow a business, thereby leaving much greater opportunities for those who are already rich.

Social programs create more demand and need for those very programs in a self perpetuating cycle because given government handouts, people come to expect and rely on them.

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Old 09-20-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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obamas' roots to Russian communistic beliefs run deep

Communist Frank [Marshall Davis] mentored Obama. The Canter family mentored David Axelrod, who helped get Barack Obama elected president [and who is now his Communications Director for his reelection campaign]. Vernon Jarrett’s daughter-in-law is Valerie Jarrett. Robert R. Taylor, Frank’s “anti-war” and “civil liberties” pal, was Jarrett’s grandfather. Valerie Jarrett and Axelrod became Obama’s top two presidential advisors.


The exploitation of African Americans by the Soviet Union for subversive purposes.

The Russian campaign began in the 1920s. Plan was to bring black Americans to Moscow for training in propaganda and agitation (community organizing) to establish a “Negro Republic” in the South (that would join a workers’ uprising in the North).

Paul Robeson, Richard Wright, and Lovett Fort-Whiteman, who was among that moved to Russia in 1930 and who died in Russian gulags after objecting to being kept from returning to the United States.

But we need go back only one generation to see the influence of card-carrying Communists spread wide. Davis’s close associates included the father-in-law of Valerie Jarrett, and the father of David Axelrod’s mentor.

After Davis moved to Chicago in 1934 and began writing for the Associated Negro Press, he met Robert Taylor, maternal grandfather of Valerie Jarrett. (Davis officially joined the Communist Party USA during World War II.) In 1948, he worked with Valerie’s future father-in-law, someone who had been involved in communist activities since at least his election to the Illinois CPUSA youth wing. Davis and Vernon Jarrett worked together on the Packing-House Committee, a communist group.

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS…THE OBAMA MENTOR: MARY GRABAR | RUTHFULLY YOURS
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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One in six Americans is now living in poverty. When he came to office there were 32 million people living on food stamps, 32 million. Today there are 47 million, 15 million more,” Romney said Wednesday, after the new Census data was released.

“This is a president who was unable to help the very people he said he wants to champion.”
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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the government can not raise enough revenue just from those considered rich to cover the cycle of decreasing revenues and increasing demand for social spending brought on by socialist policies.

If you are not a person who is poverty stricken, and you’re not going to run a welfare scam, then do not believe for a second that the government will take from the rich on your behalf.

then there are the poor. They earn too little for the government to take anything of significance, and can come out ahead in dollar amount given aid from the government. It’s great for them if they’re perfectly happy being perpetually impoverished.

But overall, the poor will also pay a price! And so will everybody else… but as always, not so much those who are very rich. This price is lesser economic opportunity. Yes, the very thing that the socialists supposedly champion for the poor. More specifically, we have greater unemployment and less business opportunity.
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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1998 obama was promoting wealth redistribution and government intervention and today he's trying to shove it down our throats; turning America into a failed socialist copy of Greece


How dare the President want to give EVERY American a fair shot in this country which is basically what he was saying. Yeah, this video is going to be real damaging. Bfff. Give me a break. Is this all the Romney campaign had it's arsenal as the early "October Suprise"? I guess when you are digging to get out of a hole, you will dig up anything, even it is a video that is over 14 years old. All it shows is how pathetic Romney really is and nothing more.

Here are some previous Republican Presidents that believed in wealth distribution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwCg3RAm98
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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All I have to say is for the people who think it's the good. Enjoy being poor. You will never get out and probably die poor.
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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One in six Americans is now living in poverty. When he came to office there were 32 million people living on food stamps, 32 million. Today there are 47 million, 15 million more,” Romney said Wednesday, after the new Census data was released.

“This is a president who was unable to help the very people he said he wants to champion.”
Why is that, do you suppose?

Or better still, what does Mr. Romney attribute that increase to?
I wonder if he knows how much people who work at Staples average per hour.

As for the OP, has anyone ever calculated how much each person would pay out-of-pocket for things like road maintenance, fire protection, police protection, street lights, etc. if they all had to be paid for personally?

Just curious.
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