10-29-2009, 10:12 AM
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I know he is a nice guy, but still he was a nice guy whose own naivete caused him to mastermind such a huge fraud that it resulted in the most massive and costly savings and loan failure and government bailout in history.
He got mixed up with the wrong people and the fraudlent things that went on happened behind his back. The person to be blamed for all corrupt actions is Clifford Sinclair. Since you do not know ALL the facts and were not present in the court room of every trial for this case your comment is just an opinion, not a fact.
10-29-2009, 11:25 AM
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He got mixed up with the wrong people and the fraudlent things that went on happened behind his back. The person to be blamed for all corrupt actions is Clifford Sinclair. Since you do not know ALL the facts and were not present in the court room of every trial for this case your comment is just an opinion, not a fact.
Believe it or not, I followed this case very closely and know a lot of facts about the case. I knew and still know quite a few of the players involved and for several years even had my offices in the old Empire S&L building a few years after the calamity that took place there. I have had first hand conversations with some of the players involved and knew two of the three appraisers involved quite well. And Danny and Jim Toler couldn't deny certain facts that incriminated them. I am a commercial real estate appraiser who was working in that market while it was happening. Fortunately at that time I was also working for someone who had a high level of integrity and also refused to let us get involved with any of that.
Who do you think called even past members of the Dallas Cowboys (and many others) to come in and sign loan documents for property that was being resold the same day for twice the price? I'll give you a hint - he dazzled them with his Rolexes and fancy cars, as well as his helicopter with the big F on the side. I remember seeing them in planning sessions when I happened to stop into the old Circle restaurant on I-30 some mornings.
10-29-2009, 12:14 PM
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Awe the 1980's, I remember them well.
Rereading this article you have to smile that back then a Billion dollars was a lot of money. Now it takes the Govt spending 1,000 Billion on Bank bailouts or health care to get anyones attention.
Much simpler times when a millionaire did not need to draw food stamps.
10-29-2009, 12:53 PM
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"I knew and still know quite a few of the players involved and for several years even had my offices in the old Empire S&L building a few years after the calamity that took place there. I have had first hand conversations with some of the players involved and knew two of the three appraisers involved quite well."
10-29-2009, 12:58 PM
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"I knew and still know quite a few of the players involved and for several years even had my offices in the old Empire S&L building a few years after the calamity that took place there. I have had first hand conversations with some of the players involved and knew two of the three appraisers involved quite well."
More than most, when it comes to the collapse of the S&L industry and esp. Empire. BTW, I was also a consultant for the government agencies charged with cleaning the local real estate mess up that was left behind.
You actually want us to believe that Faulkner was innocent? Oh please - he had the best lawyers money can buy and was sentenced to 20 years. At least his lawyers were smart enough to shield some of his assets - and Toler got to keep his ranch after deeding it to his wife. Was Sinclair equally guilty? Probably - maybe more, maybe less. It depends on whose camp you decide to listen to.
Is your last name Faulkner, BTW?
10-29-2009, 01:08 PM
Location: The Big D
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I know he is a nice guy, but still he was a nice guy whose own naivete caused him to mastermind such a huge fraud that it resulted in the most massive and costly savings and loan failure and government bailout in history.
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caburks
He got mixed up with the wrong people and the fraudlent things that went on happened behind his back. The person to be blamed for all corrupt actions is Clifford Sinclair. Since you do not know ALL the facts and were not present in the court room of every trial for this case your comment is just an opinion, not a fact.
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Believe it or not, I followed this case very closely and know a lot of facts about the case. I knew and still know quite a few of the players involved and for several years even had my offices in the old Empire S&L building a few years after the calamity that took place there. I have had first hand conversations with some of the players involved and knew two of the three appraisers involved quite well. And Danny and Jim Toler couldn't deny certain facts that incriminated them. I am a commercial real estate appraiser who was working in that market while it was happening. Fortunately at that time I was also working for someone who had a high level of integrity and also refused to let us get involved with any of that.
I too know a LOT more about this case and the family than some people do. He wasn't as innocent as some people believe. Trust me, he spent PLENTY of money on things that were very questionable. He did like the limelight and the recoginition that came with his "giving", if you know what I mean. Don't care to go into details as to how I know all of what I do either
Some people were like putty in his hand and he did enjoy that.
Oh, and there was a much more innocent person that went to prison when all of this went down and no one cared to back this person up for their NON part in any of it. They were made out to be the "fall guy". And no, none of the names mentioned are this person.
10-29-2009, 01:09 PM
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More than most, when it comes to the collapse of the S&L industry and esp. Empire. BTW, I was also a consultant for the government agencies charged with cleaning the local real estate mess up that was left behind.
Don't get your feathers ruffled now, I don't care whether you think he's innocent or not.
I think you've had too much kool aid.
Is my last name Faulkner? Nope. I highly doubt they even care what people say or think. That people are still writing about this is ridiculous.
10-29-2009, 01:39 PM
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Don't get your feathers ruffled now, I don't care whether you think he's innocent or not.
At least I've shown that I DO know something about this case. And you were the one who stepped in with the ridiculous assertion that Faulkner was innocently drawn into this scheme. Without so much as a hint of why or how you happen to know this amazing fact.
It's quite obvious that you're the one drinking the kool-aid here.
I also know a whole lot more than I'm saying here, and have first-hand knowledge as exactly what went down and how it happened.
10-29-2009, 01:46 PM
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You've read some articles and talked to some people, so that's all you really know.
10-29-2009, 01:55 PM
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You've read some articles and talked to some people, so that's all you really know.
What makes you think I've never met them and don't know them?
I just said that I know enough to know they were guilty. You only have "an opinion". I have a ton of personal knowledge regarding this case and knew many of the players involved at the time. As far as I'm concerned, you are the one who looks "bad" since you only have an obviously uneducated "opinion".
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People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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