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Your own city said Boston hasn't had an indoor market for 50 years since Quincy was converted to a food stall. They're exploring ways to bring indoor public market back to downtown. That said, if Downtown Crossing build the Filene with 40 story tower by Millenium and fill in some of the empty storefronts with a department store from Europe, also build a couple of more residential towers, then it could tie with Dt. Indy. Right now, no dice!
In What world does a market have to be Inside to be a public market? unless you believe that to be true (which it isn't) Haymarket counts.
and Do you honestly believe that Indy is superiour to Boston?
I have a question. Is it the narrow street that attracts you to these areas? Is it the dirty buildings (not trying to be negative) that attracts you too these area's? I assume it's a combination of both which is obviously your personal preference. I don't like the office ghetto look either.
When I think about downtown D.C., I just think about the core as a whole because everything touches unlike most cities. An example of this is the fact that I consider 14th street clear past U st. into Columbia Heights downtown now. Where exactly is the boundary? The buildings are all the same height and there is no break. With all the construction going on everywhere, there is no break in development or height. It's no different than Dupont Circle's connection to downtown. Also, Shaw will be apart of downtown in a few years with the projects on 7th street going up. H street is no different since NOMA and the Atlas District are merging stretching downtown to an unprecedented size. What about the waterfront's going up? Downtown D.C. is different than any city on this list because of the height limit. As D.C. infills throughout the city, where will downtown stop? Look at an aerial of Paris. What is considered a CBD in Paris proper exactly? Height limits have major advantages to the built environment other than the disadvantage of not having a skyline.
Very good points. I guess diversity of area's can be good. Philly much like Baltimore is hit or miss through multiple neighborhoods unlike D.C. where good and bad neighborhoods are isolated and far from each other more and more these days. I think that may be the reason I see Philly and D.C. differently.
Well even Market east or the first image I posted in the link you responded to are not "bad" areas in any way. Maybe look different. Bad areas of Philly are pretty far removed from the DT these days and getting further much like DC. In that first image there is 800 condos going in next door that are starting at 550K for a 600 sq ft studio, wouldnt call that area bad at all actually just looks different I suppose
Well even Market east or the first image I posted in the link you responded to are not "bad" areas in any way. Maybe look different. Bad areas of Philly are pretty far removed from the DT these days and getting further much like DC. In that first image there is 800 condos going in next door that are starting at 550K for a 600 sq ft studio, wouldnt call that area bad at all actually just looks different I suppose
Right, Im definitely talking about visually. I thought that is all we were talking about. I don't think any cities in the NE have dangerous downtown's at all.
When I think about downtown D.C., I just think about the core as a whole because everything touches unlike most cities. An example of this is the fact that I consider 14th street clear past U st. into Columbia Heights downtown now.
The word "downtown" doesn't really mean much to me, but 14th street north of Thomas Circle is very residential, with majority low rise buildings, would hardly call it "downtown". 14th street up through Columbia Heights is probalby on par with Lincoln Park in Chicago and slightly less urban than Lakeview in Chicago; hardly "downtown" to the naked eye.
The word "downtown" doesn't really mean much to me, but 14th street north of Thomas Circle is very residential, with majority low rise buildings, would hardly call it "downtown". 14th street up through Columbia Heights is probalby on par with Lincoln Park in Chicago and slightly less urban than Lakeview in Chicago; hardly "downtown" to the naked eye.
You might want to come back an visit DC. The amount of high rise buildings the same height as downtown under construction on 14th street is astronomical. There are to many projects to name. You should visit the links I posted a page or two ago. It will catch you up on the current state of Washington DC. Memories of DC's built environment is obsolete now and those memories will need refreshing for years as projects deliver.
You might want to come back an visit DC. The amount of high rise buildings the same height as downtown under construction on 14th street is astronomical. There to many projects to name. You should visit the links I posted a page or two ago. It will catch you up on the current state of Washington DC. Memories of DC's built environment is obsolete now and those memories will need refreshing for years as projects deliver.
There's definitely a break in development north of Thomas Circle, so I agree with what he said.
As of today yes. As of 2013-2015...you would think it was the 1950's during the building boom all over again. Visit the links to see what is happening right now. I'm talking about cranes in the air and projects breaking ground.
I question whether all of this development in D.C. actually gets built. There are massive cuts to many Federal agencies coming down the pike.
What I'm talking about is already under construction. Also, one of the major differences between DC and other areas is the fact that foreign investors are moving many projects through and other developers have the capital already in hand to build their projects. That is what is buzzing in the development world. Home construction has come to a halt. Multifamily commercial high rise construction is booming. The biggest difference between the last 60 years in DC is the city proper is absorbing a huge amount of the growth. People are knocking people down to live in the district versus the suburbs. Even when growth slows down, it will happen in the suburbs much more than the core which is only 61 square miles. The DC proper population capture is the difference. 20 years ago, the DMV was growing big time and DC was losing population. There is a very large reverse commute population forming in DC now since people want to live in the city even though they work in the suburbs.
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