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16th Street isn't suburban after Adams Morgan. WHAT?
16th Street does take on more of a suburban character once you pass Mount Pleasant. Crestwood, or the "Gold Coast," is kind of built into the park and has leafy, tree-lined streets with nice sized homes on individual lots. There are quite a few SFHs east of 16th Street and south of Military Road. It's really more of a mix between rowhouses and SFHs in that area, but it still comes off as relatively "suburban" in look and feel. Crossing over Georgia Avenue, the built environment becomes decidely more urban. But it's still a bit more "airy" and less urban than the area that was the original "City of Washington" designed by L'Enfant and Ellicott. L'Enfant's city is pretty much what we consider to be the "core" of present day Washington, DC.
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To me, it looks like parts of Chicago.
In some ways, yes. DC is a bit more compact than Chicago.
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A few miles up, one block east off of 16th Street there are rowhouses on 14th Street and then that turns into apartment buildings up past Military Road. You can walk (sidewalks) from 16th & K (DT DC) all the way into Maryland uninterrupted, which is about 6 miles give or take. Once you get into Maryland. It's very urban for a suburb. There's an elevated subway station (Silver Spring) as well as a vibrant downtown area. I thought you lived in DC at one time?
I would not consider much of anything past Military Road to be urban. Silver Spring is developed, but it's auto-centric and the buildings are car-scaled. Trying to cross Georgia Avenue during rush hour is not the same as crossing U Street during rush hour. Silver Spring is a good example of the more spread out, car-centric, but dense, urbanity you find in newer cities.
Density again? It's you who keeps babbling about density like a broken record and needs to be explained like a 5 yr old retarded kid over and over again that population density is not the be all end all. There are a lot of places in North America and around the world with moderate densities that do "city" a lot better than LA and your other sunbelt darlings.
Yeah, density again. It's all we have that is factually based. Hate to break it to you, but some dimwit New Yorker's opinion of a place means NOTHING to anyone, ever.
Facts. Do you have any?
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16th Street does take on more of a suburban character once you pass Mount Pleasant. Crestwood, or the "Gold Coast," is kind of built into the park and has leafy, tree-lined streets with nice sized homes on individual lots. There are quite a few SFHs east of 16th Street and south of Military Road. It's really more of a mix between rowhouses and SFHs in that area, but it still comes off as relatively "suburban" in look and feel. Crossing over Georgia Avenue, the built environment becomes decidely more urban. But it's still a bit more "airy" and less urban than the area that was the original "City of Washington" designed by L'Enfant and Ellicott. L'Enfant's city is pretty much what we consider to be the "core" of present day Washington, DC.
In some ways, yes. DC is a bit more compact than Chicago.
I would not consider much of anything past Military Road to be urban. Silver Spring is developed, but it's auto-centric and the buildings are car-scaled. Trying to cross Georgia Avenue during rush hour is not the same as crossing U Street during rush hour. Silver Spring is a good example of the more spread out, car-centric, but dense, urbanity you find in newer cities.
For a suburb, SS is urban. It's not U Street urban but it passes the smell test. I agree that 16th Street's urbanity does fall off but it is still urban. It's on a grid and it has blocks and blocks of homes. It doesn't look desolate like most suburban areas. It just borders a huge park. Two blocks over, 14th Street and 13th Street are different.
16th Street does take on more of a suburban character once you pass Mount Pleasant. Crestwood, or the "Gold Coast," is kind of built into the park and has leafy, tree-lined streets with nice sized homes on individual lots. There are quite a few SFHs east of 16th Street and south of Military Road. It's really more of a mix between rowhouses and SFHs in that area, but it still comes off as relatively "suburban" in look and feel. Crossing over Georgia Avenue, the built environment becomes decidely more urban. But it's still a bit more "airy" and less urban than the area that was the original "City of Washington" designed by L'Enfant and Ellicott. L'Enfant's city is pretty much what we consider to be the "core" of present day Washington, DC.
In some ways, yes. DC is a bit more compact than Chicago.
I would not consider much of anything past Military Road to be urban. Silver Spring is developed, but it's auto-centric and the buildings are car-scaled. Trying to cross Georgia Avenue during rush hour is not the same as crossing U Street during rush hour. Silver Spring is a good example of the more spread out, car-centric, but dense, urbanity you find in newer cities.
You think Walter Reed, Brightwood and Shepard Park aren't urban?
No one said it is "in the burbs." But it is rather suburban. When people say that LA is "suburban," they're talking about function as much as they are form. LA might not be as auto-dependent as Lithonia, GA, but it's definitely more auto-dependent than the core Boston, DC, Chicago, or Philadelphia.
No, they mean it's a suburb. No need to backpedal.
Ridiculous. So you're trying to tell me a place that's 18 times smaller than LA is more urban than all of LA? I don't care if they have the French Quarter or Bourbon Street or Ray Charles or Jazz. You're really trying to say that LA has nothing comparable to the urban qualities of New Orleans?
I would lump LA in with DC and SF. NYC and Chicago are probably the top two large cities. LA is a sprawling oasis of strip malls with a few decent pockets. It hardly has a large city feel.
Pierre L'Enfant was actually fired before he finished his plan. Andrew Ellicott took over, adopted much of L'Enfant's plan, but then also added a bit of his own design. George Washington wanted a city that resembled Paris, and while he certainly didn't get the American version of the City of Lights, he did get a final product that's a hell of a lot better than most cities in this country.
The District of Columbia and the City of Washington were actually separate entities for some time. If you look at a map of the L'Enfant Plan, the present day "core" of DC almost perfectly aligns with the original City of Washington.
To be fair, D.C. is probably the most European feeling city in the U.S. It feels much more like Paris than even NY and Chicago (and obviously LA).
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