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As of 2010, Logan Circle census tract 5002 had a density of 66,782 people per square mile. It has a population of 6,021 people. The other tract next to it census tract 5201 which lines 14th street had a density of 46,331 people per square mile. Anyone living in DC knows exactly what has happened and is happening along the 14th street corridor right now post the 2010 census so you can pretty much pencil census tract 5201 into a density over 60,000 pretty soon also.
A Census tract is absolutely tiny, and not a neighborhood. You said Logan Circle had this overall density. There are NYC Census tracts with 3 times this density, even in the Outer Boroughs.
That Census tract you're referring to is probably just a few of those big rental buildings they built on Mass Ave.
You are making a comparison with Manhattan, and these neighborhoods are nothing like Manhattan. That's the reason some folks are incredulous.
Shaw isn't the "downtown core" anyways. Even Dupont isn't "downtown core". You go one block off Connecticut, and there are detached single family townhomes in Kalorama.
Connecicut Ave. is Brooklyn-like in density, even in the heart of Dupont. That's about as dense and vibrant as non-downtown DC gets.
Yet you're going much, much farther, and saying less dense areas, like Southwest, will be Manhattan-like in a few years, which sounds ridiculous.
You are talking about traditional downtown lines and I am not. I am talking about the built environment footprint of a neighborhood. For example, if someone who has never been to DC before came for a visit, would they be able to tell when downtown began or ended? Many would not becuase the buildings are all the same height. You are comparing building heights, density, and vibrancy and I am comparing CBD building footprints. I don't know where you got lost, but you may want to go back and read the last three pages again.
And this is the Southern Downtown I'm talking about south of the Mall that you must be oblivous about:
Yes, well said and my points. A nabe doesnt spring up overnight and feel like Manhattan as much as MD would like to think so.
I hoghly speculate all the areas in the SW will even be close in this timeframe
For the record I really like areas like Dupont, if anything might feel a little like areas of the Village, albeit far less dense and compact. The SW is not just going to spring into something in this timeframe. There is more to this than just cranes, office buildings and 10,000 resdiential units
Despite DC is changing rapidly and for the better but agree on your premis...
Please find the post I made where I said anywhere in DC will feel like Manhattan. Thanks in advance. And I bet it will get real silent with that question.
That doesn't look anything like Manhattan. I don't even think it's comparable to the infill you see in Brooklyn/Queens/Bronx.
Where did I say in any post in the last 10 pages that anything in DC will look or feel like Manhattan? Thanks in advance. And I bet it will get real silent with that question.
A Census tract is absolutely tiny, and not a neighborhood. You said Logan Circle had this overall density. There are NYC Census tracts with 3 times this density, even in the Outer Boroughs.
That Census tract you're referring to is probably just a few of those big rental buildings they built on Mass Ave.
Logan Circle is tiny. It's bordered by Midtown south of Mass Ave. and Mid City (U street corridor) to the north. Either way, this is a waste of my time because you and Kidphilly are hallucinating. You all are basically conversing with yourselves since I never said DC will be anything like Manhattan. That was some little voice in your heads.
Logan Circle is tiny. It's bordered by Midtown south of Mass Ave. and Mid City (U street corridor) to the north. Either way, this is a waste of my time because you and Kidphilly are hallucinating. You all are basically conversing with yourselves since I never said DC will be anything like Manhattan. That was some little voice in your heads.
No we are saying that 40-70K isnt going to be realistic. Even the more built out nabes are not even close
Logan Circle is nearly .8 sq miles, not small at all for an urban neighborhood
key words tract there is temendous difference between peak (tract) and actual density. Hell Old City in Philly has a tract at 118K ppsm, the nabe is far far less. (you are talking about tract that is less than .1 sq miles)
people are talking about whole neighborhoods not 1-2-3 block cherry picking
Who's people? And who exactly are they responding to? Someone asked about Logan Circle so I gave them two census tracts with over 12,000 people. What exactly do you want. I don't really care what you want to talk about. I'm only focused on what my original post was, which is completely lost by you and your friend.
Cool story bro, who said the form would resemble Manhattan? Who said the height of the buildings would resemble Manhattan? Who said the density of the built environment would resemble Manhattan? Who said the street would resemble Manhattan? Who said anything in DC would look, feel, or remotely be built like anything in Manhattan? Waiting...............
This may be difficult for you, but try making a comparison not using feel. DC and NYC are polar opposites so you can't compare them like you would Midtown NYC and Downtown NYC. You have to measure tangibles that can be measured when two places are polar opposite.
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And I bet it will get real silent with that question.
