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You mean, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness?
So why don't you guys stand on the notion that there is some great Spirit of Peace? Or Spirit of Goodness?
All I hear is this Spirit of Agape love thing.
And the greatest of these is agape love (the only kind of love referenced in your Bible as the Spirit of God). God IS Spirit. God IS agape love. These are specifically revealed in your Bible, Vizio. The characteristics of the Spirit of agape love (Who IS God) is described in many places most notably 1 Cor 13, Galatians 5, the Sermon on the Mount, etc. Why do you have such difficulty grasping this????
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Originally Posted by nateswift
And what do you think "agape" is?
I am becoming convinced that "thinking" has nothing to do with what Vizio believes, nate. His dogma and "precepts and doctrines of men" dominate his beliefs rendering thought irrelevant. I fear he will never come to know God as we are supposed to as long as he clings to the OT concepts and denies the power of the New Covenant to know God without words "written in ink."
I just don't know what Spirit you are talking about, must surely not be the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment. Yet you seem to think that is against the spirit of agape love , so that must be a different spirit. By this we can recognise the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised would come. Your spirit, whatever it may be, is not of God.
John 16:8-11 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Another aspect of the Holy Spirit is that He will guide in all truth, show the things to come and glorify Jesus Christ. He will reveal us Jesus Christ and glorify Him!
John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
So it's fine you can have your agape love spirit if you don't want to follow Jesus Christ, I am sure satan has a ball with all the new age spirituality, an angel of light is perhaps his favourite disguise. But just don't pretend it has anything to do with the Holy Spirit. Because true agape love, will do just the above: convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment and glorify Jesus Christ and His mercy.
I just don't know what Spirit you are talking about, must surely not be the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment. Yet you seem to think that is against the spirit of agape love , so that must be a different spirit. By this we can recognise the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised would come. Your spirit, whatever it may be, is not of God.
John 16:8-11 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Another aspect of the Holy Spirit is that He will guide in all truth, show the things to come and glorify Jesus Christ. He will reveal us Jesus Christ and glorify Him!
John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
So it's fine you can have your agape love spirit if you don't want to follow Jesus Christ, I am sure satan has a ball with all the new age spirituality, an angel of light is perhaps his favourite disguise. But just don't pretend it has anything to do with the Holy Spirit. Because true agape love, will do just the above: convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment and glorify Jesus Christ and His mercy.
Amen, now this post is "agape love" ^^^^ , let us speak truth to one another in love as the Spirit of God leads us !
I pray those who have ears to hear, hear what the Spirit is saying, amen, cause His "agape love" is speaking loud and clear !
I just don't know what Spirit you are talking about, must surely not be the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment. Yet you seem to think that is against the spirit of agape love , so that must be a different spirit. By this we can recognise the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised would come. Your spirit, whatever it may be, is not of God.
John 16:8-11 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Another aspect of the Holy Spirit is that He will guide in all truth, show the things to come and glorify Jesus Christ. He will reveal us Jesus Christ and glorify Him!
John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
So it's fine you can have your agape love spirit if you don't want to follow Jesus Christ, I am sure satan has a ball with all the new age spirituality, an angel of light is perhaps his favourite disguise. But just don't pretend it has anything to do with the Holy Spirit. Because true agape love, will do just the above: convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment and glorify Jesus Christ and His mercy.
Conviction of sin is something that seems very important to you. Outside of Christian circles, conviction of sin is called a conscience. Unless a person has some sort of mental disorder like a sociopath, they have a conscience. So, the majority of us experience what Christians call the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. Hopefully that puts your mind at ease and will free you up from thinking you have to do it. You can stop trying to convict the world of its sin. That's a burden you do not need to bear.
"having a human as the focal point is better than a book". I do like the Hindu images in that they get the point across that this religious stuff is all metaphorical at this point because we just don't know enough. But we live in the USA; so it is what it is; and we use what we have too
No, Rbbi, it is you who are confused in your idolatry of the written word.Not so:
John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Where is our remembrance on the outside of our body, Rbbi??? It is on the inside within our consciousness.
1 John 2:27 (King James Version)
27But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.
It is clearly an inward anointing, Rbbi.
The HG came UPON their heads, just as it did mine, and I was slain in the Spirit. That's an outward anointing, and the reason for the pattern of the ark of the covenant to have wood covered over in gold. There is an inward anointing as well, just as the ark had gold on the inside, too. The HG does the works, and part of the works above are what you are describing. Peace
I just don't know what Spirit you are talking about, must surely not be the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment. Yet you seem to think that is against the spirit of agape love , so that must be a different spirit. By this we can recognise the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised would come. Your spirit, whatever it may be, is not of God.
John 16:8-11 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Another aspect of the Holy Spirit is that He will guide in all truth, show the things to come and glorify Jesus Christ. He will reveal us Jesus Christ and glorify Him!
John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
So it's fine you can have your agape love spirit if you don't want to follow Jesus Christ, I am sure satan has a ball with all the new age spirituality, an angel of light is perhaps his favourite disguise. But just don't pretend it has anything to do with the Holy Spirit. Because true agape love, will do just the above: convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment and glorify Jesus Christ and His mercy.
AMEN. You cannot separate His love from His righteousness, or it's NOT HIS love. What they espouse as love is little different from seeing a child getting ready to get hit by a mack truck, but they don't say anything or do anything to prevent it, because they "love" it and want it to have it's own path. CRUNCH!
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I think my first assessment of hubris was correct, not so?
, so that must be a different spirit. By this we can recognise the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised would come. Your spirit, whatever it may be, is not of God.
CRUNCH! 
