Significance Of Jesus Being The Fullness Of The Godhead! (abomination, Messiah, believers)
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No see, I am not the one who is still caught up in trying to live life by a book. You are. And your book explains what love is, says God IS love and that the law of love prevails. The fact, then, that you are proclaiming something to be sinful but cannot show in what way it misses the mark of love, will hopefully give you pause.
Absolutely I am, because His life, His Spirit is hidden in the verses, the words, even the letters, and it is the Tree of Life hidden in a book, whose wisdom is hidden from scoffers and scorners.
Oh, but I have, you're just not listening. Sin is missing the mark, the mark is the mind of Christ, which is the heart of the Father and His Spirit breathed Word that was recorded. His love, His Spirit and His word are not divided, meaning it doesn't define sin and then say it's ok to consume it, if you sprinkle false love all over it. Peace
Why do you guys hang on to 1 Cor. 13 with dear life, but when other Bible verses come up you 'don't live your life by a book'?
Why do you hang on to your 1 dimensional view of God as only being 'agape love' and you ignore the rest of the Bible? Did not God drown the entire human race except for Noah and his family? Or is that the part of the Bible you 'don't live your life by'?
But perhaps you say that was the OT, wrathful God, then why did God kill Ananias and Sapphira on the spot? Shouldn't 'agape love' have overlooked this? Why does Jesus Christ call the churches to repentance in Revelation? He calls the church in Sardis 'dead' and the Laodiceans He 'spues out'. In verse 19 Jesus says how His love manifests: Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Man does love include rebuking and chastening? Calling for repentance? Must surely not be your agape love.. this is fear driven, rule filled warning.
Why does Paul say that anyone who doesn't love the Lord Jesus Christ be damned? Wow is that agape love? Maybe he forgot 1 Corinthians 13 by the time he wrote 16?
Maybe you should check out the Buddhist forum to find your ´agape love´
They "mention" the trinity as if it were just a third wheel no one really wanted hanging around. The trinity was never the topic of any detailed conversation nor did Jesus ever try to "explain" how it was supposed to co-exist.
To say "than's all they talked about" is not reality.
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit [Matthew 28:19].
I can give anyone "authority" to act in my name. It does not mean that person is ME.
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all [2 Corinthians 13:14].
God is SPIRIT, so are we to believe that the SPIRIT GOD has yet a second spirit? So the trinity is made up of 2 spirits and a dead man?
To God’s elect...who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood [1 Peter 1:1-2].
Again, discussing a spirit (which God is) does not suggest a trinity of three separate and distinct existences.
But these are only a sampling of other similar passages. Among others are the following: Romans 14:17-18; 15:16;1 Corinthians 2:2-5; 6:11; 12:4-6; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 2:18-22; 3:14-19; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:6-8; 1Thessalonians 1:3-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; Titus 3:4-6.
NONE of these explicitly demonstrate the composite idea of a trinity godhead.
Ephesians 4:4--6 even states there is ONE GOD, not three personalities or forms of a god.
It is reality from the 3 in the garden to the 3 they had, to the 3 sons of Noah, to Abraham and his two siblings, to Moses and his two siblings to the temple design being in 3 and there being 3 main feasts. The 12 tribes themselves come down to 3 in that there are 2 kingdoms and a city.
The 3 main feasts show the history and the land itself in it's harvests are directly connected to the 3 they are. We are shown the kingdom of heaven in 3 men, and Jesus came to make a covenant with Ephraim, Judah, in order to produce the third,'' Benjamin.''
Jesus was shown on the cross with two others representing what was happening in 3.
There are 3 names at each direction of the Temple and these are two brothers who struggle and a third is produced.
There is not 12 tribes, there are 4 groups of 3 that make 12 ribs for a half a person and then there is 4 groups of 3 that comprise the other half of a person.
The bible should appropriately be called,'' 3.''
Everything is about body, soul, and spirit and this is the water, the blood and the spirit.
THIS IS everything.
1 John 5
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
It is reality from the 3 in the garden to the 3 they had, to the 3 sons of Noah, to Abraham and his two siblings, to Moses and his two siblings to the temple design being in 3 and there being 3 main feasts. The 12 tribes themselves come down to 3 in that there are 2 kingdoms and a city.
The 3 main feasts show the history and the land itself in it's harvests are directly connected to the 3 they are. We are shown the kingdom of heaven in 3 men, and Jesus came to make a covenant with Ephraim, Judah, in order to produce the third,'' Benjamin.''
Jesus was shown on the cross with two others representing what was happening in 3.
There are 3 names at each direction of the Temple and these are two brothers who struggle and a third is produced.
There is not 12 tribes, there are 4 groups of 3 that make 12 ribs for a half a person and then there is 4 groups of 3 that comprise the other half of a person.
The bible should appropriately be called,'' 3.''
Everything is about body, soul, and spirit and this is the water, the blood and the spirit.
THIS IS everything.
1 John 5
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
The intricacies of interwoven truths is a thing of majesty and never ceases to astound me. Up and up the ladder we go with more angels/messages leading the way. Such beauty, such perfection. Peace
Here’s the thing, if the Trinity is that important, doesn’t it seem like Jesus or the book of Acts or Paul or James or Peter or John would have talked more directly about it?
Why do you guys hang on to 1 Cor. 13 with dear life, but when other Bible verses come up you 'don't live your life by a book'?
Why do you hang on to your 1 dimensional view of God as only being 'agape love' and you ignore the rest of the Bible? Did not God drown the entire human race except for Noah and his family? Or is that the part of the Bible you 'don't live your life by'?
But perhaps you say that was the OT, wrathful God, then why did God kill Ananias and Sapphira on the spot? Shouldn't 'agape love' have overlooked this? Why does Jesus Christ call the churches to repentance in Revelation? He calls the church in Sardis 'dead' and the Laodiceans He 'spues out'. In verse 19 Jesus says how His love manifests: Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Man does love include rebuking and chastening? Calling for repentance? Must surely not be your agape love.. this is fear driven, rule filled warning.
Why does Paul say that anyone who doesn't love the Lord Jesus Christ be damned? Wow is that agape love? Maybe he forgot 1 Corinthians 13 by the time he wrote 16?
Maybe you should check out the Buddhist forum to find your ´agape love´
Is someone here teaching that agape means that there are no consequences for bad choices, or is that something YOU dreamed up to be a straw man because you have no intention of really looking at what "agape" means?
Excellent post, Pleroo, but I fear it is spitting into the wind of fundamentalist dogma. Rbbi is a dogmatist and thinking or reasoning plays no role in his fear-driven, rule-filled dogma. 1 Cor 13, Galatians 5 and the Sermon on the Mount hold no meaning for him. He has no understanding of what it means when Jesus says God IS agape love. Everything Rbbi believes is couched in the OT concept of a wrathful, vengeful God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifice. He does not know God or Jesus, period.
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Originally Posted by Chanokh
Why do you guys hang on to 1 Cor. 13 with dear life, but when other Bible verses come up you 'don't live your life by a book'?
Because God IS agape love and once you know what the characteristics of agape love ARE, you know God and Jesus. Then it is simple to use the mind of Christ and the characteristics of agape love to test the Spirit of everything. That is how we determine what in the Bible is from God and Jesus and what is from our ignorant primitive ancestors. You should try it. There are very clear things that agape love does not condone or allow and most of them are the OTHER things you demand that God has.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Is someone here teaching that agape means that there are no consequences for bad choices, or is that something YOU dreamed up to be a straw man because you have no intention of really looking at what "agape" means?
They refuse to learn what it means and they refuse to use it to test the Spirit of anything in the Bible. That is why they have accepted a corrupted Gospel and retain our ignorant ancestors' barbaric and superstitious beliefs about God despite Christ's unambiguous revelation of God's TRUE NATURE as agape love.
Because God IS agape love and once you know what the characteristics of agape love ARE, you know God and Jesus. Then it is simple to use the mind of Christ and the characteristics of agape love to test the Spirit of everything. That is how we determine what in the Bible is from God and Jesus and what is from our ignorant primitive ancestors. You should try it. There are very clear things that agape love does not condone or allow and most of them are the OTHER things you demand that God has.
You didn't respond at all to the New Testament Scriptures about God's judgment, is this a sort of wilfull ignorance to keep shouting 'agape love' to drown out the Word of God? You are the one that is reading the Bible thinking you can determine what is from God or not, you think that you have the mind of Christ, but by the fruit we can know the tree. And consequently you are the one that has accepted and is advocating a corrupted Gospel made by the imaginations of man and not of God at all.
Because God IS agape love and once you know what the characteristics of agape love ARE, you know God and Jesus. Then it is simple to use the mind of Christ and the characteristics of agape love to test the Spirit of everything. That is how we determine what in the Bible is from God and Jesus and what is from our ignorant primitive ancestors. You should try it. There are very clear things that agape love does not condone or allow and most of them are the OTHER things you demand that God has.
They refuse to learn what it means and they refuse to use it to test the Spirit of anything in the Bible. That is why they have accepted a corrupted Gospel and retain our ignorant ancestors' barbaric and superstitious beliefs about God despite Christ's unambiguous revelation of God's TRUE NATURE as agape love.
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Originally Posted by Chanokh
You didn't respond at all to the New Testament Scriptures about God's judgment, is this a sort of wilfull ignorance to keep shouting 'agape love' to drown out the Word of God? You are the one that is reading the Bible thinking you can determine what is from God or not, you think that you have the mind of Christ, but by the fruit we can know the tree. And consequently you are the one that has accepted and is advocating a corrupted Gospel made by the imaginations of man and not of God at all.
It always surprises me when people adopt an unthinking acceptance of every single thing in a book recorded by men under the magic belief that God somehow has kept it safe from human ignorance, superstition, and fallibility.Then they have the gall to denounce those of us who BELIEVE JESUS revealed the TRUE NATURE of God and use it to decide what would or would not come fromGod. How on earth can anyone think a God who IS agape love, would ever create a hell to eternally punish anyone for anything???? The idea that the mere lack of belief in the narratives created in the "precepts and doctrines of men" would be enough to earn punishment from a God who IS agape love is utterly preposterous. The corruption of Christ's GOOD NEWS into the BAD NEWS of the barbaric, wrathful, vengeful God who needed blood sacrifices to appease Him is a travesty of human ignorance that has caused great evil in the world.
You didn't respond at all to the New Testament Scriptures about God's judgment, is this a sort of wilfull ignorance to keep shouting 'agape love' to drown out the Word of God? You are the one that is reading the Bible thinking you can determine what is from God or not, you think that you have the mind of Christ, but by the fruit we can know the tree. And consequently you are the one that has accepted and is advocating a corrupted Gospel made by the imaginations of man and not of God at all.
The point being made is that the consequences of bad judgement (sin if you will) are NOT what you claim.
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