Is Saten More Powerful than God? (crucified, church, pray, sin)
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Sorry....that thinking won't wash with me or anyone else. Your logic is almost Euclidean. (IE. those two items that are equal to a single item are then equal to each other.) Unfortunately, Faith is not Intellectual. If Faith were Intellectual we could sit around and just think our way to God. Doesn't work like that and Jesus made this very clear; Jesus----not the Epistles, not Acts, not Jeremiah etc etc--- Jesus-- made it very clear. Repeatedly Jesus stated that people who followed His teaching could be known by their actions, not their Theology.
Heres another little bit for you if you want to spread your views. Be a bit more Judicious about how you sprinkle key words in your responses. Some of us are quite as easily "spun". Noone said anything about using a book as an "affront". To use that word suggests insult that is not there in my response and could be thought to provide "righteous support" to your response.
Thats not Theology, my Friend, thats Politics and it cheapens you in its transparency.
You are skirting around saying the will of man is more powerful than will of God.
I'm not skirting around saying it, I'm saying it. He gave us free will, not his own. If we do not wish to be a part of his Kingdom, either directly or by our action or inaction then we will not be a part of his Kingdom.
I'm not skirting around saying it, I'm saying it. He gave us free will, not his own. If we do not wish to be a part of his Kingdom, either directly or by our action or inaction then we will not be a part of his Kingdom.
Dear Theist,
The Bible does not say God gave us "free will." It does, however, state that humans have a will.
That will is "the will of the flesh" :
Joh_1:13 who were begotten, not of bloods, neither of the will of the flesh, neither of the will of a man, but of God."
Eph_2:3 (among whom we also all behaved ourselves once in the lusts of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the comprehension, and were, in our nature, children of indignation, even as the rest),
What is the "will of the flesh"? That will is enmity to God:
Rom_8:7 because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able."
God and evangelists would be wasting their time trying to get mankind to "open the so-called gift of salvation" of their own so-called "free will." It ain't gonna every happen in a Brazillion years. God has to OVERWHELM us with FAITH and LOVE as He did the apostle Paul on the road to Damascus (1 Tim.1:14) and God has to open our hearts to receive the truth
Act_16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple of the city of Thyatira, revering God, heard, whose heart the Lord opens up to heed what is spoken by Paul."
It also helps to be "chosen" and predesignated to be believing. Othwise one can't.
So, IF mankind did in fact have some sort of free-will and both God and Satan were vying for their will, then of course Satan would be the wiser and more powerful IF eternal torment were true.
By the way, did you see John 1:13 above that NO HUMAN is ever saved by their own will? only God's will. Memorize that verse bud.
So Hitler and Mao were saved? Wow....your version of a god isn't very holy or just.
According to their beliefs Hitler and Mao are in heaven sipping nectar, but their "disobedient nature" and their sins (murder, lies etc) have been separated from them, and are being tormented by Jesus in the lake of fire.
I know, I know, it makes you wonder why such beliefs are even discussed on a "Christianity" forum.
According to their beliefs Hitler and Mao are in heaven sipping nectar, but their "disobedient nature" and their sins (murder, lies etc) have been separated from them, and are being tormented by Jesus in the lake of fire.
I know, I know, it makes you wonder why such beliefs are even discussed on a "Christianity" forum.
Dear Finn, I am a believer that God did not lie when He said He "will have all mankind (lit. all humans) to be saved for . . . Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim.2:4-6) but I do not believe Hitler and Mao are in heaven.
If they truly were chosen by God to be believing then, yes, they will be resurrected and meet the Lord in the air when He returns. If they were not chosen then they will have to go before the Great White Throne and be judged according to their acts. But eventually they too will be saved. Another murderer comes to mind: the apostle Paul. Is God not strong enough to save him?
If you have lived in the first 5 centuries, your belief in a God Who will lose the majority of humanity would be in the minority.
If they truly were chosen by God to be believing then, yes, they will be resurrected and meet the Lord in the air when He returns. If they were not chosen then they will have to go before the Great White Throne and be judged according to their acts. But eventually they too will be saved. Another murderer comes to mind: the apostle Paul. Is God not strong enough to save him?
If you have lived in the first 5 centuries, your belief in a God Who will lose the majority of humanity would be in the minority.
Ah, OK, so Hitler and Mao WILL be in heaven, but are not there yet. Gotcha.
It is too bad you don't see the difference between Hitler and apostole Paul.
I'm not skirting around saying it, I'm saying it. He gave us free will, not his own. If we do not wish to be a part of his Kingdom, either directly or by our action or inaction then we will not be a part of his Kingdom.
Whether you like it or not Gods will is being done.
Do you believe his will is for all men to be saved ? Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Jesus taught us to pray the will of God and the will of God here in this realm is the same as that in heaven which is......God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth
Ah, OK, so Hitler and Mao WILL be in heaven, but are not there yet. Gotcha.
It is too bad you don't see the difference between Hitler and apostole Paul.
Paul and Hitler were both murderers of Jews.
I do not know if God gave faith to Hitler so I cannot judge. But if God didn't give Hitler faith then the only difference would be that God gave faith to Paul but not to Hitler.
Why do you think Hitler and Mao should never be saved? Is there something they did which would or should preclude them from salvation?
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